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Old August 8th, 2008, 07:35 PM   #5461
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It is a very unshapely building overall. I wonder if political (financial/lobbyist) matters decided in the end. A place of such symbolic significance for the nation shouldn't present a rather mediocre looking business complex.

Chicago proves that this isn't an issue of modern America.
the old ones were freaking run of the mill boxes
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Old August 8th, 2008, 07:37 PM   #5462
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I actually think that the top is the best bit of this building, I think the bottom is far worse, it looks like a skyscraper put on top of a completely different structure, the reinforced concrete base of this building bears little resembalance to the rest of it, the continuity is appalling.
how?
the base is going to be sheathed in "prisms of glass"
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Old August 8th, 2008, 08:14 PM   #5463
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how?
the base is going to be sheathed in "prisms of glass"
to hide the fact it's a big block of concrete...

the rest of the building will look like it's been plonked on top of it.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #5464
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to hide the fact it's a big block of concrete...

the rest of the building will look like it's been plonked on top of it.
They should have made it as with the SWFC. A bottom of rock stones.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #5465
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The base is not concrete. How many times does that have to be stated?

The concrete perimeter is only about 20 feet tall; the base is 186 feet tall. The prisms of glass will really work well with the rest of the building and they are partly transparent; you can see through, exposing the steel beams of the tower.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #5466
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They should have made it as with the SWFC. A bottom of rock stones.
I agree 100%, and I'm hoping that they can pull off something similar with WTC1. SWFC's base is nothing short of a masterpiece even though it's nearly all stone.

As for the Freedom Tower - the complex NEEDED a building of this height to remind the country of what used to be there. The spire on WTC1 is only 50 feet taller than the antenna on the original 1WTC, so it really isn't that different. I also think that the spire is going to look nothing short of fantastic during the night or during special occasions. I'm imagining lights shining on it similar to the Sears Tower, or perhaps lighting on the top similar to John Hancock. Either way I think that when this is finished it'll be a big hit.

Also, the old antenna had guy-wires holding it in place so it shouldn't be surprising that the new spire/antenna has the same. They weren't even noticeable the majority of the time.

EDIT: If I could change one and only one thing about the current design I'd find a way to get an external observation deck on the top. That pesky radio equipment on the crown can go somewhere else.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #5467
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I actually think that the top is the best bit of this building, I think the bottom is far worse, it looks like a skyscraper put on top of a completely different structure, the reinforced concrete base of this building bears little resembalance to the rest of it, the continuity is appalling.
Your drawings demonstrate what I've been saying all along, in the original design the top was really a spire that was integral to the looks and design of the building. In the "evolved" design the spire has been replaced with an ugly antenna that does nothing to enhance the design of the building. The only reason it was placed there is to get to 1776ft!

I do agree that the bottom kind of looks like a podium that the rest of the building sets on.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:29 PM   #5468
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Too bad that there is, once again (cfr. Chicago Spire) no outside observation deck.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:40 PM   #5469
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New WTC vs old WTC. As you can see the spire/antenna is almost the exact same height. ~50 ft difference. Oh, and one more thing that annoys me about the new WTC1 is the placement of the mechanical floors. There's going to be office lights going all the way up to a certain point and then there's going to be a large block of mechanical floors all in one area, leaving the building looking quite odd at night. Oh well, I guess. That's part of the reason I'm hoping that it has a more ornate lighting scheme on the top.


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Old August 8th, 2008, 10:43 PM   #5470
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Nice comparison thanks for showing. So the towers are almost of the same height.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #5471
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Yes , the Freedom tower's roof is as high as the one World Trade Center's roof
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Old August 8th, 2008, 11:18 PM   #5472
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Oh, I disagree with some of the comments here. I think the base gives interest to a building that has a zen-like simplicity to it. To me it is like a pedestal ... and in the classical order of things, take a classical column for example, a base, shaft and capital are the elements that complete the composition. In regards to how beautiful this base is, I will withold judgement until it is completed ... one cannot make a judgement from a drawing or a rendering.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #5473
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everything is a hell of a lot more interesting than what was there, so i have nothing to complain about.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #5474
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to hide the fact it's a big block of concrete...

the rest of the building will look like it's been plonked on top of it.
I would prefer one type of cladding for the entire building too. But it will be an impressive tower anyway.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 12:14 AM   #5475
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Small comparison I've made with other skyscrapers being build in the US.

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Old August 9th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #5476
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Old August 9th, 2008, 12:37 AM   #5477
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The base is not concrete. How many times does that have to be stated?

The concrete perimeter is only about 20 feet tall; the base is 186 feet tall. The prisms of glass will really work well with the rest of the building and they are partly transparent; you can see through, exposing the steel beams of the tower.
actually yes it is concrete. The base of concrete IS 18 floors covered in prisms. "WOW PRISMS=COLOR!" You might say, but i doubt it well turn out well. I kinda liked the spire, but with the closeup shot revealing some ugly antenna crap, I now think it will turn out not as nicely.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 12:38 AM   #5478
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They need two towers...this is a disgrace
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Old August 9th, 2008, 12:47 AM   #5479
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They are building 6 so far.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 01:34 AM   #5480
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Everytime I see renders of the FT, I love it more and more. Seriously, this whole complex will be amazing once completed.
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