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Old September 8th, 2008, 09:39 PM   #5881
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Very recent video, nice to see those progress close up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-clVGrEH5Y8
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Old September 9th, 2008, 03:33 AM   #5882
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it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest
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Old September 9th, 2008, 03:38 AM   #5883
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finally someone who understands me....and who sees the things without beeing blended by overstatements that are hiding facts that the involved peolpe have ****ed up this project partly....
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Old September 9th, 2008, 03:47 AM   #5884
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Why do people coming here saying the same shit. We know it slow, you don't seem smarter by point it out. Don't like the way it's going to bad, get over it. If you don't have anything postive to say about this building. You might not want to post here.

I'm sick of read the same bull over and over again.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 03:53 AM   #5885
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i wasn´t complaining about that it is going so slow, i was complaining about the excuses that were used to justify this slow progress e.g. complexity etc.......this is a small difference i think.....

BTW a thread lives from sharing opinions and if noone may tell the others the own opinion and not just the opinion that the majority has, why does then this thread exists when we ware only allowed to speak about a cramped spectrum of a topic related to a project?
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Old September 9th, 2008, 04:34 AM   #5886
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every time i come here i have to read the same crap about the pace of construction, and every time it's 2 or 3 of the same people complaining... yes it's a SMALL difference, it doesn't excuse it tho. The tower's doing fine, i wonder what some of you will find after steel starts coming up...
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Old September 9th, 2008, 04:43 AM   #5887
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its the same with the Chicago spire, and germantower was not complaining about how slow it is. does anybody have a recent pic ?
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Old September 9th, 2008, 05:10 AM   #5888
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it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest
It is in the top 20 for area. In over 1000 (approximation) projects u/c around the world (not counting projects in non-industrialized countries), it can be defined as "one of the biggest" (this statement can be used usually for the top 100 projects, on the total worldwide), so yes, I repeat what I said. If you have proof that is not in the top 100, please provide info. If not, the only thing you can LOL about is ignorance, your own.

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i wasn´t complaining about that it is going so slow, i was complaining about the excuses that were used to justify this slow progress e.g. complexity etc.......this is a small difference i think.....
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The reasons I provided do not justify the time it is taking for construction, it is explaining the complexity. If you can provide proof for ALL the reasons I stated in the previous posts (only one can suffice to prove the difference with any other construction, since each of the points regards a reason). If not, just a lot of hot air.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 05:24 AM   #5889
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1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?
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Old September 9th, 2008, 05:32 AM   #5890
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Germantower I am not sure how to respond to your posts but all I can deduct from them is:

1. You have either never been to New York or you have no clue what this site means and
2. You act as if your opinions are facts.

There aren't any excuses as to why this is taking long. The facts are that this build is being built over a subway line that has cause the northern core to take about 3-5 months before the next pour.

Other reasons for delay are unrealistic rebuilding schedule, tons of bickering from the many interested parties in this very sensitive project and in the past political egos that delayed the projects movement. Aside from that I don't see the excuses.

Maybe you should build this building? Apparently you seem to think you know how to build it faster.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 05:52 AM   #5891
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1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?


Take it
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Old September 9th, 2008, 06:02 AM   #5892
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it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest
I'm sorry you are just plain wrong.

How many of those projects over 16 acres in size are located over two mass transit lines that cannot be shutdown, in the middle of the most densely developed land in the world, adjacent to new highway construction, mass transit construction, skyscraper demolition and memorial construction?

Show me a project with all of those attributes that is being built faster and you have a point.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 06:48 AM   #5893
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1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?
1) Sorry but my sources are not on line. I'm a sophomore in civil engineering (not long I know, but enough to start to gather information) and we use principally books for our research projects, since internet can't be considered a reliable source for most of the information concerning engineering (it is not a general statement, unfortunately internet provides the means of writing whatever you want at no cost). I'll look to stumble on the title of the book, but I can't provide a link since it is on paper. But at least a confirmation can be found if you google the information, none of which can be considered an "official" source.

2) No, it's the opposite. You have to prove me wrong. If you can't, your argument does not stand (that is, your statement on how "this project isn't more complex from any other project in the world"). Logic with proof is the way to sustain an argument. I'm failing to provide the second (for the reasons I already explained), you are failing to provide both.


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finally someone who understands me....and who sees the things without beeing blended by overstatements that are hiding facts that the involved peolpe have ****ed up this project partly....
this comment (post 5890) was written at 8:53 PM after your previous post at 4:15 PM. That is 42 minutes after I wrote my second answer (3:33 PM) and far later my first post where I explained everything (1:43 PM on september 7th ). So you were complaining ALSO after I had answered, not only before.

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Old September 9th, 2008, 07:45 AM   #5894
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Old September 9th, 2008, 08:08 AM   #5895
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very slow
not fast
how long will this last?
9/11 is almost 7 years in the past
empire state in 1930's, 13 months it took
dont belive me? look in a book
our country has been taken over by beaurocrats, nimbys and crooks
take a lesson from our forefathers who built this great city
apply it to the present, the future, the current state of NY is just plain shitty
let the freedom tower ring
You are the worst poet in the world. Why did you waste our time?
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Old September 9th, 2008, 08:53 AM   #5896
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I'm sorry you are just plain wrong.

How many of those projects over 16 acres in size are located over two mass transit lines that cannot be shutdown, in the middle of the most densely developed land in the world, adjacent to new highway construction, mass transit construction, skyscraper demolition and memorial construction?

Show me a project with all of those attributes that is being built faster and you have a point.
theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 10:15 AM   #5897
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It's even more than the site itself. What's being built on this plot of land is unprecedented in many ways: from green technology to new structural and safety standards for skyscrapers all over the rest of the planet, and more; it's the largest and greatest office complex in the world being built all over again. With that and everything else in mind, such as the complexities and realities of the site and skyscraper construction, and I assure you that none of it is piffle, things are going very well.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #5898
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theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.
The smaller the worse is my experience. If you build for example in Dubai (especially in the early days) you could dump your materials wherever you wanted and as long as you wanted, space enough. In dense urban area's you don't have those options. Most materials are delivered 'just in time'. The rebar for a floor is delivered and about a few hours later it's being used. So if a truck enters a traffic jam your screwed and you have a delay.
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Old September 9th, 2008, 01:38 PM   #5899
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theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.
Do you have any idea how long the Big Dig and Deep Tunnel projects took to construct? You're using them as examples of projects that are faster than the WTC rebuilding?
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Old September 9th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #5900
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What was that structure? ( in the other photo it is demolished ). Some remaining part of the old WTC ?

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