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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #6101
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You're not getting the idea from this are you?

The original of them its Kingdom tower in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:

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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #6102
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Looks like they are doing a pour somewhere around the west side of the core.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 08:01 PM   #6103
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By the way, nice Pics RKowens, I haven't seen you on JREF in a while. I hope you got some nice new pics for debunking.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 10:01 PM   #6104
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Looks like they are doing a pour somewhere around the west side of the core.
Looks like a floor pour on that side of the building.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #6105
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yup south west corner.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #6106
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Oh and by the way, are you in the building industry or something? I'm wondering how you got access to WTC7 like you did.
No, it's just that a friend of mine who works in the building gave me a brief tour and allowed me to take some photos. I was able to look up close at a lot of the blueprints and renderings for the new mall/concourse hanging on the walls and things like that, but he asked me not to photograph them. For some reason these designs and renderings for the mall haven't been made public, but let me say that the mall looks very, very cool. High ceilings, very spacious. Hopefully they'll post the renderings on their website soon because I'd like to look at them again.

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By the way, nice Pics RKowens, I haven't seen you on JREF in a while. I hope you got some nice new pics for debunking.
I'm on the JREF forums everyday, but I hardly ever post responses anymore (the conversations move so quickly that once a thread is posted, within an hour it's usually already on page 3! It's more like a live chat.). And actually I did create a panorama of super hi-res shots of 30 West Broadway and its still visible damage from the collapse of WTC7, to debunk the whole "WTC7 fell into its own footprint" claim. I also recorded a lengthy debate with Jason Bermas, Luke Rudowski, and about a dozen others, but that's a topic for the JREF forums. (Sorry for getting off topic!)
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Old September 25th, 2008, 04:12 AM   #6107
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No, it's just that a friend of mine who works in the building gave me a brief tour and allowed me to take some photos. I was able to look up close at a lot of the blueprints and renderings for the new mall/concourse hanging on the walls and things like that, but he asked me not to photograph them. For some reason these designs and renderings for the mall haven't been made public, but let me say that the mall looks very, very cool. High ceilings, very spacious. Hopefully they'll post the renderings on their website soon because I'd like to look at them again.
Oh darn! I was hoping just anyone could get in there if they were nice enough. :p I'd love to see those diagrams and renders. Hopefully they release them soon.

Any link to the panorama of 30 West Broadway?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #6108
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No, I got full mark.
And STOP following my posts .. don't you have anything better to do in your life!!?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:59 PM   #6109
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Its the same design turned upside down

You didn't have to turn it upside down to show "the zipper" effect, but they are two different buildints, one is a straight line at the top of the building the other is still a box.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 10:43 PM   #6110
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that is true you couldn't turn wfc upside down it would fall over.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 01:56 AM   #6111
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I'm not sure but is this scaffolding?
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Old September 26th, 2008, 02:03 AM   #6112
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THIS IS TAKEING TOO LONG.............
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Old September 26th, 2008, 03:19 AM   #6113
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I'm not sure but is this scaffolding?
It definitely looks like it, there's sure an awful lot of it. Not quite sure what it's all for though, unless they're going to do some kind of work on that wall?
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Old September 26th, 2008, 03:59 AM   #6114
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The scaffolding has been there in some form since June. I imagine they're still in the process of getting the slurry wall ready for the memorial. You can see the part that is going to be exposed has less scaffolding.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 04:09 AM   #6115
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Let's see...it's spelled "taking," not "takeing," and the original WTC took a decade to build just the foundation. This is a huge site, in an almost incomprehensibly cramped city.

Freedom Tower is nothing like SWFC. For one SWFC has curved faces and only two corners are tapered. The FT has four tapered faces and is essentially a square with a square roof rotated at 45 deg.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 04:27 AM   #6116
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Probably to put in the ties for the slurry wall.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 05:21 AM   #6117
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No, I got full mark.
And STOP following my posts .. don't you have anything better to do in your life!!?
ever herd of trapezoids? FT is a trapezoid, the building you are comparing it too is the opposite with the zipper effect. No offense, but your comments are hilarious, I think I'll start following them too....
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Old September 26th, 2008, 06:28 AM   #6118
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Actually, the correct shape of the Freedom Tower is a square antiprism that has been vertically stretched out and made to taper (likely so that the top wouldn't be larger than and hang over the bottom part of the building), creating the eight massive isosceles triangles of the facade and giving the building its basic iconic but fleeting form; the lower part of 1WTC is more of a cube with indentations in the corners from top to bottom, forming four more isosceles triangles.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 07:13 AM   #6119
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Ebola, I'm guessing you did... quite well in geometry. I did not know it could be described as an antiprism until now.

Again, nothing like SWFC, apart from a square footprint and a podium that is clad differently from the main part of the tower.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 06:36 PM   #6120
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Actually, the correct shape of the Freedom Tower is a square antiprism that has been vertically stretched out and made to taper (likely so that the top wouldn't be larger than and hang over the bottom part of the building), creating the eight massive isosceles triangles of the facade and giving the building its basic iconic but fleeting form; the lower part of 1WTC is more of a cube with indentations in the corners from top to bottom, forming four more isosceles triangles.
We (as in my class of Geometry of Design) called it trapezoid-form: that is, two bottom angles coincide at an angle in the upper square. Of course, I'm not keeping into consideration the bottom part of the freedom tower....
Although I have to admit I remember antiprism was mentioned in some part....don't really remember though
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