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Old November 24th, 2008, 04:25 PM   #6641
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Even considering the work that had to be done first on the hub and the tight space, construction is too slow.

Construction should have been made a lot faster thru political will, considering that this is supposed to be the symbol of America's defiance against the terrorists.

Also, it has become too much a creature of the politicians. For instance the lonely "freedom" columns that stood there for a long time before the rest of the construction caught up.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #6642
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This project is an across the board mess. Finally we are seeing some progress, for many months all most nothing was actually done aside from removal of the old underground structures & re-configuring the transportation infrastructure there. Very slow going. Very lame. Even the bankers trust building is still standing needing to be demolished. Nothing has moved on that site since around may. As someone who sees this area quite often, it's getting kind of irritating!

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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #6643
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Construction should have been made a lot faster thru political will, considering that this is supposed to be the symbol of America's defiance against the terrorists.
This is the best statement made yet regarding why the project should be moving forward very rapidly!

This building is supposed to be a symbol of America's resilience and determination, instead it it has become the symbol of American politics and unions. They both have done everything in their power to delay and prolong the project instead of doing things to insure it is built rapidly. The completion of this building should be a national focus and a rallying point for the American people, not a symbol of how bad we can implement something. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at America these days instead of respecting us like they once did.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:41 PM   #6644
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In other words the name Freedom Tower is not really the name that belongs to this building.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #6645
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What name do you think is suitable for new WTC1 except Freedom Tower (I disagree btw)
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Old November 24th, 2008, 10:09 PM   #6646
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What, Hope Tower, Opportunity Tower, Sky Tower High Tower,, no really...

...The name Freedom Tower is simple and clear and is meant to represent what America dash the world stands for. When you start thinking about it you can't name it just WTC Tower 1 again and all the other possibilities won't fit the general feel of the area where it is build. Freedom Tower is not a good name for a skyscraper in general but it is the best name for this skyscraper.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 02:39 AM   #6647
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You could have sped things up but it would have required the following:

Closing down PATH service indefinitely for a speedy construction of WTC 1's foundation/sublevels
Closing West St indefinitely to aide logistics and the pedestrian corridor
Closing and demolishing the subway line for improved access
Lots of extra $ to pay the high wages for the crews that work 24/7 and..
Even more $ for the lawsuits that will arise from locals due to the above mentioned decisions

So....who has that kind of political will and won't mind career suicide?
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Old November 25th, 2008, 05:16 AM   #6648
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^ Gee, obviously not, cuz they weren't, y'know, Amurr-kins.

I think it is our right to memorialize the site of Ground Zero with a set of buildings to commemorate another set of buildings that once stood there. If nothing else the design of 1WTC is a statement, and maybe even a bookend to the statue in the harbor, if you use your imagination.

Commerce was transacted in those buildings before the planes hit, and perhaps commerce will be transacted in these new ones too, real estate being what it is in lower Manhattan. But it seems to me that as tawdry as that might appear to some, we're setting aside some space to remember What Happened.

Does it need to take up the whole site? Why should it, when we each carry a little piece of the thing around with us wherever we go? Of those of us who were alive that day and capable of forming cogent thought-- who among us doesn't remember exactly what we were doing when the planes hit, or watching in horror as the buildings came down to earth? What need then for an expanse vaster than that provided in the architects' plans?
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Old November 25th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #6649
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^ Gee, obviously not, cuz they weren't, y'know, Amurr-kins.

I think it is our right to memorialize the site of Ground Zero with a set of buildings to commemorate another set of buildings that once stood there. If nothing else the design of 1WTC is a statement, and maybe even a bookend to the statue in the harbor, if you use your imagination.

Commerce was transacted in those buildings before the planes hit, and perhaps commerce will be transacted in these new ones too, real estate being what it is in lower Manhattan. But it seems to me that as tawdry as that might appear to some, we're setting aside some space to remember What Happened.

Does it need to take up the whole site? Why should it, when we each carry a little piece of the thing around with us wherever we go? Of those of us who were alive that day and capable of forming cogent thought-- who among us doesn't remember exactly what we were doing when the planes hit, or watching in horror as the buildings came down to earth? What need then for an expanse vaster than that provided in the architects' plans?
Also in true new york fashon, its going to be deep to give some vertical space. But remember, it too the US almost 60 years to build a WWII memorial in the capitol, so for everyone complaning about slow construction, we seem to be right on schedule.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #6650
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What, Hope Tower, Opportunity Tower, Sky Tower High Tower,, no really...

...The name Freedom Tower is simple and clear and is meant to represent what America dash the world stands for. When you start thinking about it you can't name it just WTC Tower 1 again and all the other possibilities won't fit the general feel of the area where it is build. Freedom Tower is not a good name for a skyscraper in general but it is the best name for this skyscraper.
I thought that the name came because of the facts of 9/11
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Old November 25th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #6651
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True, the plans were revised any times and this added to the overall delay time. It's an embarrassment though to see that in Asia and Middle East projects like these are erected within a few years and in this case which is not just yet another project in a former fishing village in Asia, but the revival and reconstruction of one of the most known urban neighbourhoods of the planet, to see this happening.

They need to speed things up to make it happen guys. For all of us who've been to the original WTC it's an embarrassment.
The projects in Asia and the ME are nothing like this. With such a logistical, infrastructural, financial, political and not to mention emotional mess that has to be worked through, it's amazing that this project is even this far. It would be an embarrassment to see something go horribly wrong. Better to get this right than build too quickly just for the sake of building quickly.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 05:28 AM   #6652
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Also in true new york fashon, its going to be deep to give some vertical space. But remember, it too the US almost 60 years to build a WWII memorial in the capitol, so for everyone complaning about slow construction, we seem to be right on schedule.
It didn't take 60 years to build the WWII memorial, it took 45 years to decide to build one, 10 years to raise money and two years to build the memorial! Construction actually went quite fast once the decision was made in the money was raised. Besides its not even in the same realm as this building and there's no way to compare anything between them.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 09:50 AM   #6653
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This is taking way too long to rebuild! The original twin towers took 7 years.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 02:56 PM   #6654
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Actually, it is slower than what we'd like to see and what we expect based on past construction. The problem is this is a general trend in America. Everything is taking longer to build even though we have much better equipment and technology. Take the Empire State Building or the Pentagon for example they were both built very quickly and efficiently with minimal high tech equipment. The reason? At that time the American workers were very dedicated and hardworking, today they are generally slow and lazy! What's the biggest cause of this? In my opinion the construction unions are a big part of it, underperforming workers are protected by the union and making just go about their merry way without fear of repercussions!
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Old November 26th, 2008, 03:26 PM   #6655
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Totally agree with you. I allways think the same but have not enought launguage skill to write it... To build such great structures like burj or wtc you need not only the money, but also good "atmosphere". Workers in dubay works 24/7. It is impossible to do it fast in New York no matter how much money developers has. And thats why America cant be no more world capital of skyscrapers paradoxically becouse of high life quality

I think in near future the world capital of skyscrapers will be China.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 04:05 PM   #6656
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well I didn't think that people would be able to STAY ON TOPIC. So I'll start it again right here. They have moved in a new crane for the memorial and they have also made good progress on the next floor forms near the cores. I'm hoping that Joe Woolhead updates his web site soon. He always has great pictures. Thanks Joe.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 04:41 PM   #6657
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That is good news
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Old November 26th, 2008, 06:44 PM   #6658
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at least the project won't be canceled because of the economy like countless other towers
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Old November 26th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #6659
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Any new pics??????????? Thanks!
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Old November 26th, 2008, 06:54 PM   #6660
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yea thats why i hate unions... im in school for construction management and one day i hope to have a construction company... and i refuse to higher union workers!
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