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Old January 6th, 2009, 12:54 AM   #7061
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In respons to RKOwens, I like the idea but the Path tracks are right under it so is it really possible to build?
I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 02:02 AM   #7062
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In respons to RKOwens, I like the idea but the Path tracks are right under it so is it really possible to build?
I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.
Of course it would be possible to build over the PATH tracks. The Freedom Tower is being built over the PATH tracks and it's much taller. Also, the original Marriott Hotel was built over the incoming PATH track anyway.

The original Marriott Hotel was not owned or leased by Larry Silverstein. He owned WTC7 and had the lease on WTC1, WTC2, and some parts of WTC4 and WTC5. He had nothing to do with the hotel, which was originally owned by the Port Authority and called the Vista Hotel, but then sold to the Marriott Corporation and was renamed to the Marriott Hotel. I think the Four Seasons Hotel will be a nice addition to downtown Manhattan, but there are already plenty of hotels throughout downtown. There needs to be a hotel as a part of the World Trade Center site, to replace what was lost.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 02:31 AM   #7063
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I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.
Correct!

When 99 Church Street is complete, you will have a skyscraper hotel.

What more could you ask for?
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:20 AM   #7064
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For those who are interested ( and for those who didn't know) here is a timeline for ground zero: ( Memorial. Freedom tower, and Transit Hub)

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html





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f this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.
then do all of us a favor, don't come back in this thread

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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:25 AM   #7065
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If this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.
it would also be made with half the quality. and we have labor laws that prevent near slave labor conditions for workers so things take longer here...
I mean look at how burj dubai, had problems with going up at a strait angle.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:44 AM   #7066
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Correct!

When 99 Church Street is complete, you will have a skyscraper hotel.

What more could you ask for?
What more could I ask for? A hotel at the World Trade Center. Only rebuilding the World Trade Center SITE to its former glory replaces the World Trade Center. Who cares about a hotel being constructed elsewhere in New York City that isn't a part of the World Trade Center complex? That doesn't replace the former WTC3. I photographed the 99 Church Street (Four Seasons Hotel) construction site from the roof of WTC7 and am sure it'll be a fine hotel, but it's not the World Trade Center.

Also, just because the Four Seasons will be tall, that doesn't mean bigger (IE, more rooms). The Four Seasons may be about 3 times as tall as the Marriott Hotel, but it's only about 1/6th its footprint. Literally. So, the hotel will probably only be about half the SIZE (in rooms and square footage) of the Marriott Hotel. Besides, the original Marriott Hotel (and the one which could replace it) was much better than the Four Seasons. For one thing, the roof of the Marriott had a huge swimming pool, spa, tennis courts, gyms, and a running track going around the entire roof (which was actually enclosed). The roof of 99 Church Street is tiny with nothing like this planned for it.

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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:16 AM   #7067
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If this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.
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it would also be made with half the quality. and we have labor laws that prevent near slave labor conditions for workers so things take longer here...
I mean look at how burj dubai, had problems with going up at a strait angle.
And it's not being built in the middle of the desert, but in the middle of one of the most dense areas of the earth (population wise).
Then we can add that unlike dubai, the construction of the building doesn't have unlimited vital space; it is rising on one of the hardest mantle of rocks (apparently people have forgotten the explosions needed to build the foundations). They are so many reasons I can add to these, just ask me and I will continue. If not, it is useless to repeat things that have already been told.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:34 AM   #7068
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Anyone who's still complaing about the speed is just ignorant of the project; I'm sure this includes 98% of the world and most New Yorkers too. Yes, it would be done by now if they stuck with the first plan, but the current plans are almost perfect for the WTC site while the old plans were bad for the WTC. It's mainly the train tracks and complexity and structure of the building itself that are keeping the Freedom Tower speed down, not the workers or government or economy.

Yes, the next six or seven months are likely going to seem VERY SLOW, so you might as well focus on WTC Tower 4 and the rest of the WTC some more. But after summer, the other half of the core by the tracks will catch up and it will be going very fast. It's not like I'm just pulling this timeline out of my ass; it's what the experts are saying, so just hold on till for a few more months. The concrete is also taking longer to cure for the below grade area. Overall on the entire site, progress will continue to pick up as well. The Freedom Tower is just a small part of the new WTC, but by the end of this year, it will begin its ascent into the skyline. We'll be more focused on the other towers too.

By the way, it seem like the ramp leading into the WTC site will be totally removed in another week or two, and steel erection for one of the memorial pools looks like it will be done soon.

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Old January 6th, 2009, 12:02 PM   #7069
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...Why am I posting this? To see what the opinions of you all are. If anyone else feels the same way that I do, that the site needs a hotel in addition to the Performing Arts Center, maybe I'll start a grassroots website calling for the Marriot Hotel (or at least some hotel) to be restored to the site... yes, similar to the Twin Towers II grassroots website, only not as hopeless and based on a bad idea to begin with. With 5.5 million visitors expected to visit the memorial each year, the World Trade Center complex needs a hotel right on its site, and it needs to restore the 850 prime location hotel rooms which were lost on 9/11.
The site it needs a hotel indeed... its the first time to read/heard about that, since 9/11.
I am afraid that in WTC plans hotel does not existed... let's see if that changes...
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Old January 6th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #7070
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formwork of the south-core has risen finally . you guys probably saw it already...but i was in holiday for a few days
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Old January 6th, 2009, 02:32 PM   #7071
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cheers, I stopped looking at the webcam few days ago knowing progress isn't gonna take place for months. But the south core must be well visible now from the street level.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #7072
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formwork of the south-core has risen finally . you guys probably saw it already...but i was in holiday for a few days
Sadly, it hasn't risen. It just looks that way because a part of the walkway (for construction workers) facing the camera was removed, but the formwork itself hasn't risen.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #7073
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It doesn't need a hotel there are already several hotels in and around the site. So there is no need to add another hotel plus for New York right now the demand isnt there and since this is within the vicinity of hotels in the LES and SOHO it seems alright to say that the way the structure is being built it is okay to be without a hotel.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 04:17 PM   #7074
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this is much better than the first
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Old January 6th, 2009, 08:19 PM   #7075
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It much much better indeed
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Old January 6th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #7076
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Some will think it's better, some will think it's not. Everyone has their own opinion. My opinions the memorial park that is going to be built is far too structured, it either needs to be a peaceful relaxing place or something akin to the proposal was just had a symbolic representation of the two former building. All we're getting now is rows of trees set in concrete which just takes up valuable space. Submit reply
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Old January 6th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #7077
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Let's be clear when we thrown around timeframes like five years... the physical construction has been proceeding for 2 years, 8 months. Work is proceeding above and below grade. In late summer, all work will be above grade.
Still it's taking them too long.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #7078
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It doesn't need a hotel there are already several hotels in and around the site. So there is no need to add another hotel plus for New York right now the demand isnt there and since this is within the vicinity of hotels in the LES and SOHO it seems alright to say that the way the structure is being built it is okay to be without a hotel.
Saying that the site doesn't need a hotel BECAUSE there are so many other hotels in the area, is complete nonsense. It's like saying that the site doesn't need any office towers either, because there is so much office space available. I'm not saying you're wrong, just provide the research that proves your point!
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Old January 7th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #7079
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Maybe they'll consider a hotel inside of WTC Tower 5.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #7080
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In NY there's much more expierence in building skyscrapers in comparison with Dubai, so work should go faster. Don't forget the bedrock is an advantage for the foundation. Ask Chicago.
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