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Old March 1st, 2009, 05:27 PM   #7701
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I can really see the natural selection taking place over the years there.
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Old March 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM   #7702
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I can really see the natural selection taking place over the years there.
You are sure correct in that statement. The natural selection process got rid of a architecturally interesting dramatic design in favor of a politically influenced box with a spike on top! I don't see how anyone can say that the final design is more striking than any of the other proposals. It may be more secure but it's certainly not more beautiful.
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Old March 1st, 2009, 09:52 PM   #7703
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I still like the original design... I hope someday the original design will get built somewhere in New York City.
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Old March 1st, 2009, 10:21 PM   #7704
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You are sure correct in that statement. The natural selection process got rid of a architecturally interesting dramatic design in favor of a politically influenced box with a spike on top! I don't see how anyone can say that the final design is more striking than any of the other proposals. It may be more secure but it's certainly not more beautiful.
"Striking" in and of itself is not necessarily a good thing. The earlier designs were more dramatic, but they were an absolute disaster in terms of fitting into the cityscape. I think the current design is far more graceful and beautiful. It also has the added advantage of visually referencing the original towers, while the unique opposing triangles adds a new visual element. Not to mention the other towers at the WTC are much more interesting in the current design than they were in the original design.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 02:26 AM   #7705
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I still like the original design... I hope someday the original design will get built somewhere in New York City.
When that happen I'll be sure to boycott, Now I wouldn't mind seeing a building similar to the original twin tower built somewhere else in NYC
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 02:31 AM   #7706
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the first design was ******* hideous, and most will agree.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 02:35 AM   #7707
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"Striking" in and of itself is not necessarily a good thing. The earlier designs were more dramatic, but they were an absolute disaster in terms of fitting into the cityscape. I think the current design is far more graceful and beautiful. It also has the added advantage of visually referencing the original towers, while the unique opposing triangles adds a new visual element. Not to mention the other towers at the WTC are much more interesting in the current design than they were in the original design.
One of the major goals of any building, especially a supertall is to be recognized for its designed. And the normal means of doing this is through innovative design. The building that is being built now will only be recognized because of its history and name, not because of its design. Similar designs (fortunately without the spike on top) can be found elsewhere so the building itself is definitely nothing special.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 02:43 AM   #7708
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I'm all for innovation in design, but the original FT was innovative for innovation's sake, and it was god-awful
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 03:17 AM   #7709
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I was schooled in the Frank Lloyd Wright way of thinking in that form follows function. The function of Tower One is that of an office building and I think the final design reflects that. The early designs were just a bunch of junk stuck on top of a too-short office building. Also notice that the final design places the observation deck and restaurant far higher up than the early designs.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 03:52 AM   #7710
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Designs #3 and #4 were hideous, the huge amount of wasted space is just unconscionable. The final design isn't too bad, I actually think it is better than #1. But #2 was the best imo, however the spire is just a little bit too tall. Seems like the politicians wanted the most interior space to be developed, and the final design provided them with what they wanted. Better than a plain box, but they still could have went much better.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:04 AM   #7711
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I just read an article about how the Freedom Tower will have the fastest elevators on this side of the world.

Anyway, I sent a message to the PANYNJ because I was concerned about Towers 2 and 3. They answered me:

"Please be assured that the entire WTC site as designed within the Master Plan created by Daniel Libeskind will be realized. Not building towers 2 and 3 is not an option."

But I had to lol because it's hardly Dan's master plan anymore.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 03:59 PM   #7712
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I just read an article about how the Freedom Tower will have the fastest elevators on this side of the world.

Anyway, I sent a message to the PANYNJ because I was concerned about Towers 2 and 3. They answered me:

"Please be assured that the entire WTC site as designed within the Master Plan created by Daniel Libeskind will be realized. Not building towers 2 and 3 is not an option."

But I had to lol because it's hardly Dan's master plan anymore.
haha you're right. I always here architects saying "we incorporated elements of the original design into the current design." I'm like "BITCH WHAT ELEMENTS I DON'T SEE ANYTHING"
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 04:11 PM   #7713
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unless I see official word from Dan, this "not building" tower 2 and 3 are bunch of BS. The whole site is more than just bunch of buildings!!!

although both cameras still down I can assure people don't miss much because of snow storm in the area. ( I'll get piece of it too )
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 08:57 PM   #7714
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It's still annoying that the cameras are down.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 09:42 PM   #7715
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some cameras are still up

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:32 PM   #7716
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our main earthcam is working again ...lots of snow on the site now
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 03:54 PM   #7717
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I was schooled in the Frank Lloyd Wright way of thinking in that form follows function. The function of Tower One is that of an office building and I think the final design reflects that. The early designs were just a bunch of junk stuck on top of a too-short office building. Also notice that the final design places the observation deck and restaurant far higher up than the early designs.
Very well said Zen. I think some people are concerned that the final design is too conservative, and the overall appearance might be banal ... just not "innovative" enough or lacking "oomph". I disagree with such a view, there is something to be said for classic simplicity.

I really do believe that a lot of the "glitzy" skyscrapers being built right now in places like Las Vegas, Dubai, and Panama City are going to look extremely tacky 15 or 20 years from now.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 08:42 PM   #7718
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our main earthcam is working again ...lots of snow on the site now
Lots of snow and really cold (21 F) from EarthCam:
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 08:44 PM   #7719
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Very well said Zen. I think some people are concerned that the final design is too conservative, and the overall appearance might be banal ... just not "innovative" enough or lacking "oomph". I disagree with such a view, there is something to be said for classic simplicity.

I really do believe that a lot of the "glitzy" skyscrapers being built right now in places like Las Vegas, Dubai, and Panama City are going to look extremely tacky 15 or 20 years from now.
Agreed. The original Twin Towers were beautiful because of their simplicity. But, if you did like the design of the original Freedom Tower, then you at least have Tower 3 to look forward to, which I think carries on a bit of the original Freedom Tower design with columns at all sorts of weird angles.

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Old March 4th, 2009, 01:35 AM   #7720
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I was out of town well I was back in brooklyn so it really wasn't out of town. I'm a little behind are they talking abot no building towers 2 and 3?
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