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Old March 4th, 2009, 02:48 AM   #7721
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I was out of town well I was back in brooklyn so it really wasn't out of town. I'm a little behind are they talking abot no building towers 2 and 3?
It is being said on wirednewyork.com forums from some people in the know, that financing for 2 and 3 is going to be tough for Silverstein. The below grade work will definetly move forward because they are integral for the PATH stations. But hopefully everything will work itself out financing wise in 12-18 months.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 06:05 AM   #7722
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It's almost funny how this project has turned into such a mess. For a project that was meant to show America's resilience, all these delays and financing troubles and now the potential threat of not even the entire planned complex to be completed is nothing more than a sheer embarrassment not only for NY but the entire country. Other nations can build entire cities in 10 years we cant even build 4 towers it's just pathetic.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 06:31 AM   #7723
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Old March 4th, 2009, 06:33 AM   #7724
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He's right, though. This entire project should have been finished 2 years ago.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 07:54 AM   #7725
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Hmmm no ground breaking took place in 2006. Look at the pictures from 2004. They didn't even start digging till two years later. And Silvertain has his money in order. PA payed him for everyday they were late. I'm Sure Obama would bail him out if he need it. And the city knows rebuilding the WTC is number one on the list of things to do. Give him a break two of the four buildings are being built and the other are soon to come. And from what I can tell people just started saying the other building were dead. When they couldn't bitch about the speed of the FT.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 08:52 AM   #7726
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It's almost funny how this project has turned into such a mess. For a project that was meant to show America's resilience, all these delays and financing troubles and now the potential threat of not even the entire planned complex to be completed is nothing more than a sheer embarrassment not only for NY but the entire country. Other nations can build entire cities in 10 years we cant even build 4 towers it's just pathetic.
hows it pathetic??
you're trying to build one of the tallest buildings in the world in the most congested section of the world. the original WTC toke much longer to build than this. the speed may not be to our liking but it will be finished when its finished.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #7727
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Furthermore the site is a mass memorial for thousands who are essentially buried there. Such a sensitive site deserves delicate and deliberate handling out of respect.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 09:23 AM   #7728
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Yeah there no one buried there. They dug everything up and moved it. Now it's hard for something to stay buried, when you got earth mover digging everything up around you.
If they didn't dig it all up I might have to agree with you just a little.
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Old March 4th, 2009, 04:35 PM   #7729
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They need to adjust earthcam a little, move it down a bit
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Old March 5th, 2009, 12:18 AM   #7730
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Yeah there no one buried there. They dug everything up and moved it. Now it's hard for something to stay buried, when you got earth mover digging everything up around you.
If they didn't dig it all up I might have to agree with you just a little.
I think he meant it was a symbolic burial place since many of the victims have yet to be identified. It's better than imagining your loved one's burial place is Fresh Kills Landfill.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 12:33 AM   #7731
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Fresh Kills is being converted into a massive park and I think where will be a 9/11 memorial there too.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 01:17 AM   #7732
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I think he meant it was a symbolic burial place since many of the victims have yet to be identified. It's better than imagining your loved one's burial place is Fresh Kills Landfill.
Its funny how you say love ones buried in fresh kills because I do have some family buried there long story. I don't have a problem with a memorial at fresh kills park.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 05:34 AM   #7733
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Fresh Kills is being converted into a massive park and I think where will be a 9/11 memorial there too.
I know. It's still a landfill for the time being, though.

Sorry to hear about your family members, king.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #7734
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Agreed. The original Twin Towers were beautiful because of their simplicity. But, if you did like the design of the original Freedom Tower, then you at least have Tower 3 to look forward to, which I think carries on a bit of the original Freedom Tower design with columns at all sorts of weird angles.

This does not have 'columns at all sorts of weird angles', it is called structural expressionism and they are perfectly ordered. It's a classic piece Rogers design. This and tower 2 make the whole scheme, they're fantastic and put the Freedom Tower itself to shame (apart from in terms of overall height).. I really hope these new rumours are just that and no more?
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Old March 5th, 2009, 07:24 AM   #7735
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I know. It's still a landfill for the time being, though.

Sorry to hear about your family members, king.
Oh that happen in my family when I was a little guy So I didn't get to know them.
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Old March 5th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #7736
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Seems they're pouring the B2 level at Freedom Tower now. I count six concrete trucks on site.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 03:32 AM   #7737
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Seems they're pouring the B2 level at Freedom Tower now. I count six concrete trucks on site.
They're still pouring late into the night. A couple of the east side perimeter steel beams are barely visible now. Also pouring in the north core as well.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 04:56 AM   #7738
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They're still pouring late into the night. A couple of the east side perimeter steel beams are barely visible now. Also pouring in the north core as well.
how can you tell?
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Old March 6th, 2009, 05:24 AM   #7739
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Furthermore the site is a mass memorial for thousands who are essentially buried there. Such a sensitive site deserves delicate and deliberate handling out of respect.
It's sensitive no doubt, but that isn't the reason it's taken so long. The complex has been delayed for financial reasons, contract reasons, the Port Authority's laziness, union garbage among others. I understand it is a sensitive site, I watched the towers fall outside of my bedroom window, but these delays and setbacks are so contradictory to the entire attitude the rebuilding was supposed to portray. And the building one of the world's tallest skyscrapers is no excuse. Many a supertall have risen much faster and much smoother than this one has.

Ignorance Incarnate my ass, it's ridiculous and damn shameful all the bullshit problems that have delayed and plagued this complex.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 05:59 AM   #7740
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Very good point, the building was supposed to show america's defiance after the attacks and portray our strength. Instead it seems to be demonstrating everything that's wrong with America, politics, unions, corruption and just general bickering.
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