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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:20 PM   #7841
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Actually I have seen pre-bent re-bar waste more time on the job site than field bending. Also, most buildings in NYC are designed for a minimum amount of bending becouse of that rule. Besides, bending re-bar is no big deal.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:31 PM   #7842
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Actually I have seen pre-bent re-bar waste more time on the job site than field bending. Also, most buildings in NYC are designed for a minimum amount of bending becouse of that rule. Besides, bending re-bar is no big deal.
I agree bending #4 or #5 bar is no big deal, but most of the re-bar used here is considerably larger and much more difficult and time consuming to bend. I'm glad they design to minimize the need for bending but I'm sure there is still quite a bit that has to be bent. Does this rule even applying to standard bent parts like saddles?

Also if they have rules like this that don't contribute to productivity I'm sure they have many others that are even worse. Unions should work with contractors to improve construction efficiency instead of working against them.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #7843
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Wow, there are alot of errors in that article. But I guess fact checking is near impossible for this building, seeing how much information is suposta be kept secret. I also noticed that they kinda left out that Collavino is from Windsor Ontario, Canada. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


TheShark, yes, some of the cement used in Tower One is the strongest ever devised. The stuff ya get at Home Depot is about 3,000 psi, the strongest used in T.O. more than four times that.
Is one of the errors the statement that the blast wall will be 70 feet high? I thought it was 50 feet.

I think I remember you (Zen) saying that the lobby will be 50 feet tall. Is this right?
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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #7844
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The core bars are mostly #11, the largest bars (there are very few) are #20. I might be wrong but I think the rule doesn't cover saddles etc., just "main" bars.

I agree about rules that just pad labor hours, it's like protectionist trade rules. If things keep going the way they are Unions might end up pricing themselves right out of work.


For the non-trade folks the re-bar number multiplied by 1/8th of an inch= diameter. IE: a #8 is one inch.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:47 PM   #7845
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Is one of the errors the statement that the blast wall will be 70 feet high? I thought it was 50 feet.

I think I remember you (Zen) saying that the lobby will be 50 feet tall. Is this right?
The lobby ceiling is 50 feet, the blast wall extends to the underside of the 3rd floor spandrel beams. I'm afraid I can't actually say what's wrong in the article due to confidentiality agreements.

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Old March 14th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #7846
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The time this whole thing is taking has always made me wonder whether its to do with the fact that they want to get the terrorist threat neutralized or silverstein would rather use the billions he got for his insurance payout on somthing else rather than office space that will be hard to fill. Im not impressed with the freedom tower anyway. It should have been a bold act of defiance and not a slimmed down and halved version of the real thing. The Norman foster building with the four diamonds on top is far more impressive and i feel his origional new twin towers design was the pick of the bunch by far.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:17 AM   #7847
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Red tape, way too many folks involved in the design, red tape, Survivor Families involved in the design, more red tape. Finally, something I wouldn't mind my wife or friends working in that isn't a bunch of junk stuck on top of a little office building !!!!

Now that construction is in the hands of folks who do this stuff day in and day out it's getting done !
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:23 AM   #7848
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NYC March 14, 2009

I finally took a ride to the WTC site and the whole area is now buzzing with construction and cranes galore everywhere...

I was happy to see so much progress!!!!!!! HOOOOOORAY




















I can't wait to go back in a couple of months!!!!









Me and the future Freedom Tower behind me!!!!
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #7849
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Nice shots man, thanks.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:49 AM   #7850
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Truly amazing update, Carlos.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 07:15 AM   #7851
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Great update carlos new york, new york. I'd go visit the site but I'm pretty lazy. I just wait around for others to do it for me lol.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 07:27 AM   #7852
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Damn, if I lived in NYC I would be down here as often as possible...
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:33 AM   #7853
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Visiting the site really transformed my appreciation for all of the shots that come in semi-regularly. Having walked the perimeter, I can place in my head where certain shots are taken from and how the hole site fits together geographically.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #7854
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #7855
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ZZ-II and Carlos123 thanks for your great pics.....helps me see more detail on progress! : )
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Old March 15th, 2009, 05:39 PM   #7856
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Here's a overview pic from panynj.gov. From March 2009.

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Old March 15th, 2009, 06:17 PM   #7857
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #7858
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Damn, if I lived in NYC I would be down here as often as possible...
Who me I don't live in NYC I live in scranton pa thems the breaks.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #7859
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Who me I don't live in NYC I live in scranton pa thems the breaks.
Heck, Scranton is still a lot closer to New York than most others in the country. When I visited Ground Zero this past September I was coming from Tennessee and left at about 4:30 in the morning. I drove through the Scranton area of Pennsylvania (I know I passed through Allentown and Bethleham, not 100% sure if I actually passed through Scranton though) around 12:00 noon and made it to NYC around 2:00 in the afternoon. Going from eastern PA to NYC is nothing! 2 hours! I'm now living in Baton Rouge and drive to New Orleans (1.5 hour drive) whenever I want to see a MOVIE at the nearest IMAX or to go to a parade!

Seriously, you can plan a trip to NYC and be back all within a day, without having to get a hotel or anything. I WISH I lived only two hours from New York City. Gas is also way cheaper than when I went ($4 a gallon... and it started plummeting like a few days after I got back!!!)
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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #7860
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Rebuilt the Twin Towers!


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