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Old March 20th, 2009, 04:00 AM   #7921
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when will this baby be finished?
It's estimated it'll be completed by 2013-2014, while the memorial should be finished in time for the tenth anniversary of 9/11, in 2011
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Old March 20th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #7922
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The person to blame for it not being rebuilt already is every person on earth.
Huh? What did I do now?
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Old March 20th, 2009, 04:27 AM   #7923
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Old March 20th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #7924
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LOL he looks lik a wrestler.
for me = he looks like David = a magician street..
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Old March 20th, 2009, 07:16 AM   #7925
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What a fantastic view of the site to have out the window! The only downside is you also have all the noise of the construction you get to witness.

Another of Mr. Dunlap's articles on Ground Zero has been published by the New York Times, this one on the elevators in the new WTC: World Trade Center’s Elevators to Be Among the World’s Fastest

And a blogger is taking a photo a day of the construction outside his window, a slightly different angle than EarthCam and RGZ:
http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com/
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Old March 20th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #7926
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It appears heavy equipment has been mobilized on the WT2 site
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Old March 20th, 2009, 07:46 PM   #7927
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than post this in the WTC2 thread and not here
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Old March 20th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #7928
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It's just about getting under way now. Long time for substructure.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #7929
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Looks like they're pouring one of the basement floors in the area you're describing. My guess is that for now they'll just level it off at street level with some hookups for the new building left just below the ground so that they are available when they figure out what they're going to do. Many renders just have the area as a grass park, which I actually think would be great. With no plaza like the original WTC there needs to be an area where one can stand between the towers and look up. I'm talking short term, though, since apparently there will be a park near 5 WTC and the church whenever they are built.

EDIT: I've looked at a few renders and it looks like the area you're talking about will become a small plaza similar to the one near 7 WTC. The grass park/location of the PAC is on top of the current PATH building.
Regardless of whatever is built on the site planned for the PAC (I don't know if a theater is the best thing to build, but I do agree that they should build SOMETHING rather than leaving it be just a grassy park), there will still be a plaza east of the Freedom Tower. It won't be as huge as the original plaza, but if it's a huge plaza where you can stand in the middle of all of the buildings that you want, just stand in the memorial plaza... 8 acres, plenty big.

By the way, I've been thinking about something. After the WTC "Sphere", my second favorite plaza structure is the assembly of steel which sat between the two towers (I'm not sure what it's name was, but here's a photo...).

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It seems that the WTC sphere is going to be put back into place once the site is completed and I think it would be awesome if they replaced this structure as well. I'm sure the original was destroyed when the towers collapsed, but they could rebuild an exact replica. As far as where it could be located, the plaza east of WTC1 would be perfect, like so...

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This is a blurry pic of the structure (the only one I could find from an overhead angle), but the dimensions are correct. As you can see it would still leave plenty of room around the structure.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #7930
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What a fantastic view of the site to have out the window! The only downside is you also have all the noise of the construction you get to witness.

Another of Mr. Dunlap's articles on Ground Zero has been published by the New York Times, this one on the elevators in the new WTC: World Trade Center’s Elevators to Be Among the World’s Fastest

And a blogger is taking a photo a day of the construction outside his window, a slightly different angle than EarthCam and RGZ:
http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com/
OMG, this dude is awesome. Now we have a third webcam from a completely unique angle! Not the highest quality, but since it refreshes every second it's cool enough. Also, check out this awesome time-lapse video he made...

http://www.sharef.net/htlgz_hi.mov
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:27 PM   #7931
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Regardless of whatever is built on the site planned for the PAC (I don't know if a theater is the best thing to build, but I do agree that they should build SOMETHING rather than leaving it be just a grassy park), there will still be a plaza east of the Freedom Tower. It won't be as huge as the original plaza, but if it's a huge plaza where you can stand in the middle of all of the buildings that you want, just stand in the memorial plaza... 8 acres, plenty big.

By the way, I've been thinking about something. After the WTC "Sphere", my second favorite plaza structure is the assembly of steel which sat between the two towers (I'm not sure what it's name was, but here's a photo...).

image hosted on flickr


It seems that the WTC sphere is going to be put back into place once the site is completed and I think it would be awesome if they replaced this structure as well. I'm sure the original was destroyed when the towers collapsed, but they could rebuild an exact replica. As far as where it could be located, the plaza east of WTC1 would be perfect, like so...

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This is a blurry pic of the structure (the only one I could find from an overhead angle), but the dimensions are correct. As you can see it would still leave plenty of room around the structure.

thats a good idea
i hope they put that structure replica there
when i saw first time wtc i love that metal structure
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #7932
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The problem with using the memorial plaza as an area to view the towers is that it is covered with trees and finding a good viewing spot might be difficult. Not to mention it might be disrespectful to those who are there because they lost family.

The placement and design of the PAC in that render is just awful. I know it isn't the final design, but I hope they have something similar to the museum if/when a building goes up there.

As for the sculpture, yeah. It was destroyed. The sphere survived, as did the black pyramids that were out front near WTC 4 and 5, but those were apparently bulldozed or saved during cleanup depending on who you ask. Dunno if we'll see that again. I wonder if they'll recreate the 1993 memorial that was destroyed? There's two small fountains near 1 WTC in the renders that could serve this purpose.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 02:11 PM   #7933
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By the way, I've been thinking about something. After the WTC "Sphere", my second favorite plaza structure is the assembly of steel which sat between the two towers (I'm not sure what it's name was, but here's a photo...).
Talking about the "sphere" ; is there any change to see that sphere again, when the new WTC towers complete?
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Old March 21st, 2009, 05:36 PM   #7934
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Talking about the "sphere" ; is there any change to see that sphere again, when the new WTC towers complete?
You can see it right now in the north part of Battery Park. This is a photo I took of it a while back:

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And yes, they are planning on returning it to the site once it's completed, though it's unclear where and whether it'll be returned in its current, damaged condition, or if they'll fix it up.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 09:15 PM   #7935
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Its good to see progress now. This is one of my favorites supertalls
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 12:14 AM   #7936
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It looks nice, but i liked the old one better
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 12:19 AM   #7937
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I like the progress, can't wait till its finished
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 05:59 AM   #7938
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And yes, they are planning on returning it to the site once it's completed, though it's unclear where and whether it'll be returned in its current, damaged condition, or if they'll fix it up.
I hope they'll leave it in the damaged condition, I think it looks kind of neat that way and besides it would be much better memorial to the events of 9/11 if they don't repair it.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 06:28 AM   #7939
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Similar to the cracked and unrepaired Liberty Bell.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 09:12 AM   #7940
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It should not be repaired. It is a relic now. I wonder if it's possible to return it to the exact same spot it stood before 9/11? It was between the two towers, correct, and that will be empty space when the memorials are completed?
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