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Old May 1st, 2007, 11:58 AM   #781
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why does this seem like the slowest moving project in the World right now?
Try London, mate.
Some truly great projects for the city but if it's not UNESCO sticking their oar in, its idiot government ministers (an oxymoron?) or the ill-named English Heritage, doing their best to prevent anything over head-height being built.
NYC cannot be worse!
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Old May 1st, 2007, 03:02 PM   #782
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That render looks absolutely great.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 03:18 PM   #783
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They're still not going to lose that ugly block at the bottom?

Grrrrrrr.....



And yes, there needs to be more supertalls there - a new 'exclamation point' for the skyline. Without the old 'twins', even with these, NYC is just a big mass of unremarkable buildings whereas Chicago has CHARACTER!

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I think you're being unfair. These buildings really don't look bad at all, and were all designed by decent architects. No building has character when it's first designed; it develops with age.
While I agree that Chicago's projects look better, I admit myself as biased.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 03:24 PM   #784
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from the other forum..posted by DUBAI2015..nice one
[IMG]http://i19.************/6ferssn.jpg[/IMG]
Yeah...this new complex will be great refreshment for NYC skyline! Looks awesome!
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Old May 1st, 2007, 03:29 PM   #785
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All these pics show Manhattan in the Afternoon or at night. Does anyone have anything in the morning, where the light is from the east?
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Old May 1st, 2007, 04:11 PM   #786
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Old May 1st, 2007, 04:16 PM   #787
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Old May 1st, 2007, 05:46 PM   #788
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It looks so damn modern, really like this design Alot better then the old World Trade Towers
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Old May 1st, 2007, 06:19 PM   #789
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I think you're being unfair. These buildings really don't look bad at all, and were all designed by decent architects. No building has character when it's first designed; it develops with age.
While I agree that Chicago's projects look better, I admit myself as biased.
I do agree that they don't look bad at all as individual buildings, in fact a couple of them look pretty good, but, IMHO, that part of the skyline will still be missing its 'signature'.

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Old May 1st, 2007, 06:27 PM   #790
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Well just rebuilding the towers the way they were seems a little dumb to me when you have the chance to create something much more magnificent and meaningful.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 07:26 PM   #791
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You people are forgetting how big each of these buildings are.


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Old May 1st, 2007, 08:43 PM   #792
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great renderings, in those buildings there will be more office space than most US cities
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Old May 1st, 2007, 09:20 PM   #793
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Nice renderings, but.........


Freedom Tower Questioned Amid Rising Costs
April 10, 2007

By Kevin Lerner

As work on the Freedom Tower’s foundations progresses, with an eye to vertical construction beginning next year, observers are expressing doubts over the project’s total price tag, which seems poised to rise at a faster rate than the building itself.


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Earlier this year, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey officially authorized construction of the Skidmore Owings & Merrill-designed building, which forms the symbolic cornerstone of the rebuilt World Trade Center complex. The agency also approved the awarding of contracts worth nearly $500 million for continuing construction on the Freedom Tower’s foundations, which began last spring.

A press release stated that the contract amounts fall “within planned-for contingencies common to projects of this scale,” a roughly 4 percent margin. The building’s total price tag is currently set at $2.88 billion. But many observers believe that the final number will rise far higher.

Barry LePatner, Hon. AIA, a real estate attorney and construction cost expert, contends that the Freedom Tower’s initial bid numbers were virtually meaningless—unless construction companies agree to sign fixed-cost contracts, which seems unlikely. The problem, he explains, is that contractors often lowball their estimates to win projects and then file change orders and add other fees to make up the difference later.

Prominent real estate developers including Douglas Durst and Anthony Malkin have also criticized the project’s finances. Lower Manhattan has an oversupply of office space, they told The New York Times in February, and the Freedom Tower is struggling to attract commercial tenants aside from government agencies.

New York’s new governor, Eliot Spitzer, pledged his support to the Freedom Tower’s construction after taking office this winter—a symbolic but critical step. Even so, Spitzer as well as New Jersey governor Jon Corzine and New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg have said that they are open to selling it to a private developer, which could presumably redesign it. The foundations under construction now, they note, can be used for buildings other than the Freedom Tower.

Other projects at the World Trade Center site face a similarly uncertain fate. The Port Authority admitted this winter that rising labor and materials costs have caused the PATH station, designed by Santiago Calatrava, to exceed its $2.2 billion budget by as much as $1.2 billion. The architect and agency are looking for ways to trim costs. These could include a redesign, although Calatrava has said he is committed to preserving his design’s signature elements.

In other World Trade Center news, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (LMDC) has released a revised General Project Plan for construction projects at the World Trade Center site, spelling out the responsibilities of various stakeholders. New York City and New York State jointly created this agency in 2001 to oversee rebuilding at Ground Zero.

The LMDC, in cooperation with the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, will build the 9/11 memorial and memorial museum. Another key player, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will build the Freedom Tower, designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill, the PATH transit terminal designed by Santiago Calatrava, and sub-surface infrastructure for the whole site.

This revised plan was included in the LMDC’s “Final Report,” outlining its activity since 2001. Although the agency has largely closed its operations, allocating many of its duties to other agencies and private corporations, it continues to administer grants and supervise several downtown projects.




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Old May 1st, 2007, 09:43 PM   #794
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I was by the site yesterday. Great to see the work progressing and know that reconstruction is underway. I think this complex will be a wonderful addition to downtown and much nicer from a pedestrian perspective than what I've seen of the old WTC.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 10:31 PM   #795
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Old May 1st, 2007, 10:47 PM   #796
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those are pics are extremely cool..
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Old May 1st, 2007, 11:21 PM   #797
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The renderings are great, including the "river shot", i've heard that soon they will start on tower 4 or the one by the japanese architect, on the southeast corner, i heard this summer. But with my experence in construction, i figure about a year before we see anything substantialy above grade, there is still alot of subgrade work, and the trains must stay in operation during this prosess.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 11:32 PM   #798
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I always seem to be the contrarian but I guess that's my lot in life. I looked at the render on the previous page (especially the river shot) and when you put these buildings in with the rest of the buildings in the immediate area I think these new WTC buildings look like crap.

Too bad the designs didn't take into consideration the surrounding architecture. I hope the purpose was to have them stick out, because they certainly do.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 12:42 AM   #799
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I always seem to be the contrarian but I guess that's my lot in life. I looked at the render on the previous page (especially the river shot) and when you put these buildings in with the rest of the buildings in the immediate area I think these new WTC buildings look like crap.

Too bad the designs didn't take into consideration the surrounding architecture. I hope the purpose was to have them stick out, because they certainly do.
I would agree, at first i liked the idea of 4 towers of graduating height, with the same cladding, for instance tower 1 at 120 foors and then down to 60 floors in tower 4, like the Libskind proposal, but with another architect, like Norman Foster, but this will do, also when this project is complete, (around the year 3000 the way its going) the renderings won't do the towers justice as shown.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 01:10 AM   #800
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Will the other towers in the WTC complex also have a concrete core? If so we will have to wait forever and a day like the Freedom Tower.

Is anything going on at the FT site, because for the past 2 weeks their has been no progress
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