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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:39 AM   #8101
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Why are we bitching about who's making the glass for this build? and who cares. Something for the haterz to hang out for the week. And its called the world trade center not the america only center. Wonder why everbody hatez us, because we thank we're
better. Lets look at the bigger picture and stop looking at the world through a close door.

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Old April 1st, 2009, 10:32 AM   #8102
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Like I said, glad to see that racism is still alive and well.

Do you know who designed the original World Trade Center? Minoru Yamasaki, a Japanese architect. His vision for the complex was that it would be a symbol of peace because that is what World Trade brings about. WORLD TRADE. That's what this whole building is about - the tying togeter of countries in peaceful cooperation through Capitalist trade.

It disgusts me to think that my fellow countrymen can harbor such vitriol toward another people just because they aren't American.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 02:14 PM   #8103
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7am , concrete pump truck is here, looks like they pour north section today
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Old April 1st, 2009, 02:18 PM   #8104
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7am , concrete pump truck is here, looks like they pour north section today
Fantastic news... Any new North side pictures so we can see the core rising?

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Old April 1st, 2009, 02:40 PM   #8105
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In terms of this Glass made in China issue - just remember China pretty much owns America now......
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Old April 1st, 2009, 02:47 PM   #8106
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That is an extremely distasteful move by the Port Authority. If it were any other building on the site I wouldn't mind it, but I think this is very inappropriate for 1WTC.

PPG should have been awarded the contract. 1WTC should be entirely made by Americans.
The idea of it being made entirely by Americans went out the window a long time ago. The heavy steel for the exterior columns is being imported from Europe (the Netherlands I believe) because america's steel industry didn't have the capability to make it! Show just how much america's manufacturing ability has declined.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 04:54 PM   #8107
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I think that "City Hall" should expel and dismiss Port Authority from this site. I'm sorry but they were given many chances before but so far they are should be blames for every site delay. They pretty much proved that they cannot manage project this size. And now they pretty much sending money overseas while we see thousands of layoffs. That pretty sad.

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Old April 1st, 2009, 06:35 PM   #8108
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Like I said, glad to see that racism is still alive and well.

Do you know who designed the original World Trade Center? Minoru Yamasaki, a Japanese architect. His vision for the complex was that it would be a symbol of peace because that is what World Trade brings about. WORLD TRADE. That's what this whole building is about - the tying togeter of countries in peaceful cooperation through Capitalist trade.

It disgusts me to think that my fellow countrymen can harbor such vitriol toward another people just because they aren't American.
I did not know that it was designed by him...interesting tidbit!
Frankly speaking, it would be more patriotic to choose an American firm, but choosing the lowest cost is the point of having competition in a free market.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 07:38 PM   #8109
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Not really a big deal, since American firms design and work on a lot of Chinese skyscrapers. Just don't lick the glass on the base of the Freedom Tower if you don't want lead poisoning.
Indeed. Leslie Robertson, chief engineer of the original World Trade Center, also designed the recent Shanghai World Financial Center in China (or at least, his firm did). Since the WTC is all about international trade, I see no problem with the Chinese having a small hand in its construction.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 07:56 PM   #8110
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I don't understand mindless patriotism.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 08:45 PM   #8111
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Indeed. Leslie Robertson, chief engineer of the original World Trade Center, also designed the recent Shanghai World Financial Center in China (or at least, his firm did). Since the WTC is all about international trade, I see no problem with the Chinese having a small hand in its construction.
SOM did Burj Dubai, etc. The more we come together as a single people the better off humanity will be.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:32 PM   #8112
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Like I said, glad to see that racism is still alive and well.

Do you know who designed the original World Trade Center? Minoru Yamasaki, a Japanese architect. His vision for the complex was that it would be a symbol of peace because that is what World Trade brings about. WORLD TRADE. That's what this whole building is about - the tying togeter of countries in peaceful cooperation through Capitalist trade.

It disgusts me to think that my fellow countrymen can harbor such vitriol toward another people just because they aren't American.
When did I say that? There are very good reasons why the glass on this tower should be American made. This is more than just 1WTC. There's no excuse for this tower's glass to be made in China.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:33 PM   #8113
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In terms of this Glass made in China issue - just remember China pretty much owns America now......
Me or my government? Big difference.
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Old April 1st, 2009, 09:48 PM   #8114
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Krattle, maybe you have confused racism with nationalism. The point is not the glass is made by people of Asian decent, it is that is will be made by a communist country who have been producing crap. Dangerous crap. Need examples? I have a pair of Vise-Grip pliers. The Vise-Grip (American) company is now out of business. Because of poor quality? NO. I have had this pair 40+ years and they still work perfectly. I recently needed another pair and the only choice was Chinese made. It broke within an hour, doing the same stuff the other pair has been doing for so many years. Chinese drywall made with sulpher. Milk with melamine poising children. Lead toy paint, etc. Americans made huge environmental and heath mistakes (Love Canal, Three Mile Island, Georgia Peanut etc) also so I am not preaching American superiority. The bottom line is that American jobs are very important right now. We shouldn't be saving a few pennies and taking huge risks gambling on CURRENT Chinese quality standards. WTC1 should be a symbol of Americas National Pride. Just my opinions
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 12:02 AM   #8115
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Edited my own post for being off-topic.

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Old April 2nd, 2009, 12:06 AM   #8116
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You people better quit it.

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The idea of it being made entirely by Americans went out the window a long time ago. The heavy steel for the exterior columns is being imported from Europe (the Netherlands I believe) because america's steel industry didn't have the capability to make it! Show just how much america's manufacturing ability has declined.
Sorry, if I recall correctly, this has nothing to do with America's manufacturing ability, but with geography. There's only one or two plants on the planet that are actually able to produce the quality of steel needed for certain Freedom Tower steel and none are in the US because the high quality natural resources aren't here. In any case, the PA stated that parts for 1WTC would be coming all over the world both to save and make the rest of the world feel like part of the rebuilding process.
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 01:22 AM   #8117
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The Chinese made glass is going to cover an American made blast wall so if they can meet the specs let em at it.

Only the W14x730 rolled steel sections are being made in Luxemburg, by an Indian owned company. The US doesn't have a mill that can roll "super beams" anymore. Ebola, it's not the quality of the steel, it's the size.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3512479...n/photostream/

A W14x730 has a 4.91 inch thick flange and a 3.07 inch thick web.

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Old April 2nd, 2009, 03:04 AM   #8118
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Remember also, it wasn't just Americans who died on 9/11. China in particular had four citizens who were killed in the attacks. I think it's only fair for all of these countries to have a say in the memorial/site reconstruction to be able to honor their own citizens, albeit if only a small one... then again, the glass at the base of the tower IS just a small part of the overall site plan. Again, I think it's appropriate and don't see any problem.
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 03:11 AM   #8119
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Old April 2nd, 2009, 05:45 AM   #8120
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The idea of it being made entirely by Americans went out the window a long time ago. The heavy steel for the exterior columns is being imported from Europe (the Netherlands I believe) because america's steel industry didn't have the capability to make it! Show just how much america's manufacturing ability has declined.
Luxembourg and Spain actually
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