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Old April 15th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #8321
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the old twin towers topped out at 1883 feet(antennas) according to Wikipedia
They were just antennas, not spires, so they didn't count towards the official/structural height of the Towers.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #8322
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how tall were the old ones ? :p
They were each 110 stories.

One World Trade Center was 417 m / 1,368 ft tall.

Two World Trade Center was 415 m / 1,362 ft tall.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #8323
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the old twin towers topped out at 1883 feet(antennas) according to Wikipedia
The original WTC1's antenna rose to 1,727 feet, not 1,883 feet. 1,883 is the height that the advocates of the Twin Towers II wanted their antenna to rise to a height of. The Freedom Tower's spire will rise to 1776 feet.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #8324
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Big Red (crane) is being disassembled!!!!!! Wha??? Already??? There's so much more steel that needs to go up.
I'm confused too, maybe there's not enough space to work for this red crane, but I guess here will be a place for a new one:

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Old April 16th, 2009, 01:59 AM   #8325
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First things first, the opening you pointed out is for future servicing of the chiller plant should they need to replace any large components. The opening well be closed over with precast concrete planks that are removable.

Second, they are either re-locating one of the Liebherr LR 1300 crawler cranes to the edge of the bathtub or they are removing it from the site and another crane well be erected on the edge to continue erecting steel. By the way, those cranes cost like $2,800 a day to rent, so when they're done with em, off they go !

From the info I have they are several weeks ahead of schedule.

Getting back to the topic of this forum, forms for the ground floor slab are going up south of the core.

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Old April 16th, 2009, 02:46 AM   #8326
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Thanks for an explanation and very good news
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Old April 16th, 2009, 02:59 AM   #8327
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Regardless of the pace the building is going through, at this present time, the priority should be progress and not speed. Here, I'd much rather see a final product that is well-thought out in every regard, as opposed to something that is fasttracked for completion and potentially risks quality control.

By the way, concrete strength was mentioned earlier, however, i didn't see mention of the strength grade(s). Any indicative idea in MPa for particular elements?
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Old April 16th, 2009, 03:07 AM   #8328
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They were just antennas, not spires, so they didn't count towards the official/structural height of the Towers.
as stated
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Old April 16th, 2009, 03:12 AM   #8329
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Here in the US of A we use KIPS, not MPa and if I told you such info I would have to kill you. But seriously, nothing has been sacrificed for speed. In fact, some of the steel used is the strongest structural steel ever made, ever !
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Old April 16th, 2009, 04:53 AM   #8330
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By the way, those cranes cost like $2,800 a day to rent, so when they're done with em, off they go !
I'll bet they cost a good bit more than that. Here in Louisville a crane like that costs over $500/hr and I'm sure the costs in New York City are higher than they are here. Plus they are working longer than 8 hour days so I'm sure that crane is costing at least $5000/day.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 06:23 AM   #8331
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"For the city's official marketers, New York isn't just a wounded city, but a challenged brand... and like all challenged brands, it needs... an overarching scheme to reposition itself in the American popular consciousness."
And the World consciousness, for that matter. Everyday that downtown goes w/o a new WTC complex is a day that NYC goes w/o a powerful logo.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 02:44 PM   #8332
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I'll bet they cost a good bit more than that. Here in Louisville a crane like that costs over $500/hr and I'm sure the costs in New York City are higher than they are here. Plus they are working longer than 8 hour days so I'm sure that crane is costing at least $5000/day.
If your paying by the hour you're probably renting the service. If you're paying by the day you're probably just renting the hardware.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 02:55 PM   #8333
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http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

webcam is back in service, great to have a second viewpoint!
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Old April 16th, 2009, 03:23 PM   #8334
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Big Red (crane) is being disassembled!!!!!! Wha??? Already??? There's so much more steel that needs to go up.
lets have moment of silence

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http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

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too bad we cant see a jack $hit bc of the sun
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Old April 16th, 2009, 06:34 PM   #8335
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The rebuilt World Trade Center project won't be completed and fully occupied until 2037, according to a report in The New York Daily News.

The report said a study by real estate company Cushman & Wakefield said the project centerpiece, the Port Authority's 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, won't be filled with tenants until 2019, and other structures would take even longer to build and fill. The 2037 projection would fall 36 years after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

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Old April 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #8336
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I think that theory will probably never happen.
Ofcourse I will take some time to fill up the office space at the New WTC but that long?
It really depents on the economic situation that New York will fase when the buildings are completed.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #8337
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The rebuilt World Trade Center project won't be completed and fully occupied until 2037, according to a report in The New York Daily News.

The report said a study by real estate company Cushman & Wakefield said the project centerpiece, the Port Authority's 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, won't be filled with tenants until 2019, and other structures would take even longer to build and fill. The 2037 projection would fall 36 years after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

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2037 aint too long away though
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Old April 16th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #8338
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2037 aint too long away though
lol are you ******* kidding

that's light years away =(
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Old April 16th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #8339
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This is ******* BULLSHIT! Nothing I hate worse than ******* delays. Get the ******* thing done!!!!!!!!!!
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Old April 16th, 2009, 11:25 PM   #8340
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2037 aint too long away though
Wut? I'll be close to 50! And I'm still a teen...

I would have been surprised if they'd said 2020-2025... But 2037!?
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