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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:39 PM   #8761
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then the road above that will be gone as well.
No, the road remains. The north end of the tower doesn’t take up the whole road, it's more like on the corner of the road. But they have to take it apart anyway, the edge of the tower dips into the road right now. Tight squeeze.


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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:42 PM   #8762
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so it will just be the foundation that sits right underneath the road then...
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 08:54 PM   #8763
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so it will just be the foundation that sits right underneath the road then...
I believe some of the foundation of the tower is under the road, yes. Basement floors. Right now they're only taking out the sidewalk next to the road and a little bit of the road itself. They’re not taking out the whole road.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:07 PM   #8764
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It would seem like a good bit of the road has to be removed in order to meet the setback requirements imposed by NYPD. That was one of the big points brought up during their security review. They demanded that a significant setback from the roads be created to greatly reduce the potential of a truck bomb damage in the buildings.

The above illustration also shows a good bit of setback. Of course it's not very recent and sit still shows WTC 5 and the performing arts center which have been dead for a long time.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:44 PM   #8765
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A tower at the tower 5 site clearly is far from dead and the pac is likely dead, but I know that they were considering using the site for something other than an arts center, like a new park or new development.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 12:31 AM   #8766
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The above illustration also shows a good bit of setback. Of course it's not very recent and sit still shows WTC 5 and the performing arts center which have been dead for a long time.
They are not dead, something will get built there eventually. This is New York were talking about here. Those two projects were never finalized in the first place.

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Old May 23rd, 2009, 01:06 AM   #8767
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The above illustration also shows a good bit of setback. Of course it's not very recent and sit still shows WTC 5 and the performing arts center which have been dead for a long time.
Not dead at all. 5 wtc is probably going to be residential/hotel space, and the performance arts center design was never finalized.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 05:29 AM   #8768
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The above illustration also shows a good bit of setback. Of course it's not very recent and sit still shows WTC 5 and the performing arts center which have been dead for a long time.
The performing arts center and 5WTC are still on the illustrations because the key players are still committed to the "idea" of a PAC and 5WTC, even though you're right: both projects are pretty much D.O.A. We'll probably continue to see them on illustrations until something official is announced to replace them, such as the hotel/residential tower being considered for the Deutsche Bank site.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 07:46 AM   #8769
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Well, seeing as how neither WTC5 nor the PAC can even begin construction for a few more years (when the Deutsche Bank Building and temporary PATH hub are removed), the economy will probably have recovered by then, so it's kind of pointless to talk about the effects of the economic crisis on these buildings. Let's see what the economy is like once the time to start focusing on building them comes around.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 12:40 PM   #8770
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So..is this building gonna have a concrete core ..or it will be just the one that they are working right now with a new record speed ? ..If they will work the same speed for a concrete core up to let's say 100 f we'll all gonna have grandsons
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 04:12 PM   #8771
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whats going up faster: this or 4wtc?
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 05:13 PM   #8772
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Yesterday, 5/22/09, a quick snap using the iPhone:

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Old May 23rd, 2009, 08:19 PM   #8774
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So..is this building gonna have a concrete core ..or it will be just the one that they are working right now with a new record speed ? ..If they will work the same speed for a concrete core up to let's say 100 f we'll all gonna have grandsons
It will have a concrete core all the way up. The workers have just been focused on finishing off the basement levels instead of working on the core. Once the basement levels are finished (say, around September/October), the core and the rest of the building above ground will rise at about a floor a week.

And yes, 4WTC is definitely going faster. It's basically already caught up to 1WTC, yet it didn't really start construction until the beginning of this year whereas 1WTC started (in full) around April 2007 (ignoring, of course, the foundation work for both).
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And yes, 4WTC is definitely going faster. It's basically already caught up to 1WTC, yet it didn't really start construction until the beginning of this year whereas 1WTC started (in full) around April 2007 (ignoring, of course, the foundation work for both).
Tower 4 is almost out of the hole, probably in another month.

Also, new pic from GreenwichBoy at Weird New York:

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Those yellow stairways look awfully permanent compared to the scaffold stairway on the lower floors. They aren't permanent are they? I don't see how they could be if those steel beams are going to be encased in concrete as the core rises.
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Those yellow stairways look awfully permanent compared to the scaffold stairway on the lower floors. They aren't permanent are they? I don't see how they could be if those concrete beams are going to be encased in concrete as the core rises.
Nope, those aren't permanent.
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No doubt about it now... Work on 1WTC's lobby level is now well underway. A huge piece of formwork for the lobby level is now up on the east side of the building, in addition to the part that was already up on the southern side.
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A small portion of the lobby floor has been there for some time now and it's slowly growing. It sucks that we still have to wait a little longer before all below grade work is completed, but in a few months this tower will be rising at a floor per week or more. I've heard that the core will reach its highest point at the end of 2010.
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THIS IS THE TOWER THAT IS BEING BUILT:




THIS IS ONE OF MANY EARLY RENDERINGS, WHICH IS NOT BEING BUILT:


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