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Old June 1st, 2009, 07:04 AM   #8861
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While we're on the subject of the lobby, I found the floor layout. Thought this was pretty interesting.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 07:07 AM   #8862
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Maybe another month or two for the north core to catch up to the south. In the meantime it'd be nice to see some perimeter steel columns also put in as well.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 08:45 AM   #8863
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While we're on the subject of the lobby, I found the floor layout. Thought this was pretty interesting.
http://z.about.com/d/architecture/1/...n_06-27-06.jpg
Does the core have this configuration all the way to the top? I counted over 50 elevators!! Seems to me there's not much room left for offices on each floor. It's mostly core.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 08:58 AM   #8864
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It gets smaller as it goes up. It's huge at the bottom as part of the "concrete bunker" design for the lobby.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 09:20 AM   #8865
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It gets smaller as it goes up. It's huge at the bottom as part of the "concrete bunker" design for the lobby.
Not that much smaller, the tower slopes some as it goes up. That's to give the building some architectural zing. I think the Freedom tower is still going to have the most bulk of any tower in the world at roof top. Don't quote me on that, but if you look at diagrams. The Freedom tower is not taller, but is bulkier near the top, than other towers of its size. Taipei 101, SWFC, Burji Dubai...




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Old June 1st, 2009, 10:16 AM   #8866
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Not that much smaller, the tower slopes some as it goes up. That's to give the building some architectural zing. I think the Freedom tower is still going to have the most bulk of any tower in the world at roof top. Don't quote me on that, but if you look at diagrams. The Freedom tower is not taller, but is bulkier near the top, than other towers of its size. Taipei 101, SWFC, Burji Dubai...
I was talking about the core, not the tower as a whole.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 11:40 AM   #8867
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is there going to be any sky lobbies like the original twin towers?
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Old June 1st, 2009, 12:14 PM   #8868
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Unfortunately. no skylobbies are in the new tower. But I do expect a new Windows on the World restaurant to be housed near the top floor.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 05:32 PM   #8869
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I was talking about the core, not the tower as a whole.
You didn't say. "It". I guess I was assuming the tower.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 06:20 PM   #8870
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is there going to be any sky lobbies like the original twin towers?
The skylobbies were elevator transfer points, and I think it may have one. If you meant observation deck, yes it'll have an indoor one for sure along with a restaurant on another floor.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 07:29 PM   #8871
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Unfortunately. no skylobbies are in the new tower. But I do expect a new Windows on the World restaurant to be housed near the top floor.
There will be one skylobby on the 64th Floor and I don't think Windows On The World will be on top of the Tower because why work where people you worked with died it wouldn't be right. There will be a restaurant but it won't be Windows.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 07:36 PM   #8872
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There has been no cement pour for the lobby (first floor) yet. Forms are going in on the south side.
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When do you think the building will start rising like floors going up and everything not just adding framework on top of the South Core but really when will this Tower get going? I read 4th Quarter of 2009 and I'm pretty sure that's when it will happen.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 07:41 PM   #8873
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There will be one skylobby on the 64th Floor and I don't think Windows On The World will be on top of the Tower because why work where people you worked with died it wouldn't be right. There will be a restaurant but it won't be Windows.
No, the restaurant Windows Of The World is coming back. It's going to be a little smaller though....not sure what floor.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 08:34 PM   #8874
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Wow, never thought, that the Sears Tower is actually still higher than the Freedom-tower will be.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 08:56 PM   #8875
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The reason that floor plan shows the core in the lobby so large is because the PATH tunnel, which runs directly through the Freedom Tower, needs large shafts to vent air. That's what those four large shafts on each corner of the core are for. The shafts only go up a few floors (venting out through vents in the base) and won't be there on the office floors. Once you get rid of those, you can see you already have a lot more room for office space. Also, those four stairwells on each corner are actually only two stairwells above the 2nd floor and are located in the core, which gives more room for office space on the actual office floors. Also, according to Zen (who has the prints), the core also tapers inward with the rest of the building as you go up.

And yes there will be one sky lobby. It's already been confirmed (like, years ago) that there will be both a restaurant and an observation deck near the top. The restaurant and obs deck are each spread over two floors, so the floor area is pretty much the same as in the original Twin Towers.
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Old June 1st, 2009, 10:57 PM   #8876
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Wow, never thought, that the Sears Tower is actually still higher than the Freedom-tower will be.
To roof Sears is a tiny bit taller, but you have to remember that they're using the same basic template as the twin towers. That did that purposely because it’s symbolic. To the roof, Sears was taller than the original twin towers too. However, to the end of the spire Freedom is still taller, even if you add on Sears’ antennas.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:24 AM   #8877
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To roof Sears is a tiny bit taller, but you have to remember that they're using the same basic template as the twin towers. That did that purposely because it’s symbolic. To the roof, Sears was taller than the original twin towers too. However, to the end of the spire Freedom is still taller, even if you add on Sears’ antennas.
Of course you have to add the stupid looking spire to the top of FT in order to make it taller!
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 04:53 AM   #8878
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Of course you have to add the stupid looking spire to the top of FT in order to make it taller!
Again, this more has to do with the original World Trade Center. The Freedom Tower is the same height as one of the original towers, and then they added another 300 feet on top with a spire. I'm not going to complain, if it was anywhere else I might. I get what they did here.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 05:37 AM   #8879
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 05:46 AM   #8880
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I know that there were originally plans to have this tower be the tallest in the world upon completion, but that was obviously scrapped with competition from other nations and headaches on the home front.

However, I do think that it would be nice if the tower was quite a bit taller. The could still keep the symbolism, why not have the roof height be 1776 ft and the height to the spire be 2001 ft? Now you have double the symbolism, more floors, and a taller tower.

I know obviously that this isnt going to happen with the design being basically finalized and all, but I think that it it a neat idea. I kind of think its cheating to have the height be measured by the spire height, even though it is common practice.
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