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Old May 7th, 2007, 06:33 PM   #881
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Everybody always rants on LA. for not having a sufficient amount of skyscrapers in it's arsenal. You all must remember that NYC is a vertical city designed for subway use, where LA is a horizontal megalopolis built for the automobile. In many aspects Los Angeles is considered a more urban environment than NYC.

But...back to the Freedom Tower>>>

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BUT THIS IS NYC>>>
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Also the Century City theme towers, designed by Minoru Yamasaki as well and built at the same time as the WTC, in west LA, boasts one of the largest, deepest ( 7 levels ) excavations in the U.S. and twin 600', 44 floor office towers, with 3+ million sq. ft. of space, by far the largest office building(s) on the west coast.
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Old May 7th, 2007, 10:24 PM   #882
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Nice renders and all but they need to start building man.... because the rate off construction resembles a snail pase............

mixed feelings about this.....

cheers... i gues....
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Old May 7th, 2007, 10:47 PM   #883
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I must admit that having recently read an autobiography of Libeskind whos original masterplan was sensational, the only design I have true respect for is that of the Foster tower. It is the only one that follows the path set out by Libeskind of having the roof such that it slopes towards the site of the former towers in deference to the tradgedy that occurred, and IMO the tower is the best of them all for following that. To see so much of the masterplan destoyed is such a shame as it was truely a well thought out and emotive plan, now I feel much of the veiled symbolism that he strived to include has been lost, and to the detriment of the scheme.

One WTC has some nice features, such as the slight twist. But other than that it is remarkably dull, the top looks awful and the base looks fortified, which I know it is for security reasons, but more should have been done to minimise it. Corporate bland IMO, which is a shame. The Foster one, should be great and the rogers one should have enchanting detail, perhaps even colour that will help the area - tho I am dubious of the shape.

I will watch with interest and may well change my opinions, but I do feal the masterplan has lost the Libeskind essence that made people pick it in the first place.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 03:24 AM   #884
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Not exactly.



> 1st-19th floors - Podium (not fully used)
> 20th-63rd floors - Offices
> 64th floor - Sky lobby
> 65th - 88th floors - Offices
> 89th and 90th floors - Transmission equipment
> 91st - 100th floors - Mech
> 100th - 101st floors - Restaurant
> 102nd floor - Observation deck
> 103rd - 108th floors - Mech



102 floors in total because they aren't counting anything above the observation deck.
I would like to see the source for this information, b/c this is not what I have been hearing from the media or anything about this.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 03:59 AM   #885
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http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Bu...Detail/439.php

Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.

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Old May 8th, 2007, 10:50 AM   #886
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The design is like Shanghai WTC like the latter looks better. NYC can do better than that.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 06:17 PM   #887
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Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 12:32 AM   #888
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Now I am 100% sure that the FT has over 102 floors (but 102 will be the final number, most likely; it says 108 on Glass Steel and Stone, and also on SkyscraperPage). This is drectly from the PANYNJ (they just updated their site a few hours ago and added it):



"Building Features: A public observation deck on the 102nd floor, a skyline restaurant on the 100th and 101st floors and an antenna mast rising to an iconic height of 1,776 feet. All floors will be served by elevators. The Skylobby on the 64th floor serves as a dramatic entrance for the office floors
above."


I suppose they mean "spire" instead of "antenna" since the com antennas circle the spire.

Someone fix the title!



New info:

Owner/Landlord: 1 World Trade Center LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Port
Authority of New York & New Jersey.

Floor Sizes: Available Size Ranges
Floors (Usable Square Feet) (Usable Square Meters)
47 – 51 32,255 – 32,877 2,996 – 3,054
52 – 56 26,819 – 31,913 2,491 – 2,965
57 – 61 26,623 – 31,138 2,473 – 2,893
62 – 66 25,886 – 29,774 2,405 – 2,766
67 – 72 27,245 – 29,151 2,531 – 2,704
73 – 77 27,146 – 28,323 2,522 – 2,631
78 – 82 24,990 – 26,534 2,322 – 2,465
83 – 88 23,971 – 25,072 2,227 – 2,329

Ceiling Height: Typical 13’ 4” slab to slab.

Column Spacing: Typical 30’ x 30’ column bays.

Lobby: The street-level office lobby features a 50-foot ceiling and entrances
on all four sides of the building.

Notable Security Enhanced structural connections at the core and columns, alternative
Features load paths, hardened columns and slabs at grade and below-grade
(Construction): spaces to increase structural robustness. An interconnected stair
system that allows for multiple building exit points along with many other
life/safety features.

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Old May 9th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #889
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Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.
That site also says that it is 82 floors. My guess is that the other 20 floors is really a crown. Come to think about it even reminds me of the original Gardens of the World to which they said that the so-called 110th floor was really a small part on the glass spire. Otherwise, why else wouldn't it count if it wasn't a real floor?
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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:06 AM   #890
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I must admit that having recently read an autobiography of Libeskind whos original masterplan was sensational....

....I will watch with interest and may well change my opinions, but I do feal the masterplan has lost the Libeskind essence that made people pick it in the first place.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:14 AM   #891
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:19 AM   #892
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I'm glad they redesign this complex because the orginal plan is very plain and unattractive. I won't feel better if they replaced WTC complex with that design... I'm feeling somewhat better with newer design... Just wish WTC 4 would get redesigned then I'd be satisfied with the rest of this complex design.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:23 AM   #893
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People didn't pick Libeskind in the first place. Former Governor Pataki picked him because they were friends. With that said, I like the plan better now than I did before.
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People didn't pick Libeskind in the first place. Former Governor Pataki picked him because they were friends. With that said, I like the plan better now than I did before.
Are you serious that he chose him because they were friends? That is wrong reason.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:29 AM   #895
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It's not like Gov. Pataki would ever admit it, so I guess we don't truly know, but I do know a lot of people who feel that way.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:32 AM   #896
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I don't think governor should get involved this project because it is not HIS property... Who owns this WTC complex? Rochfellers? Let him to decide what he wants to do HIS property not the governor.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 05:35 AM   #897
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LOL Too late now!!!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 06:16 AM   #898
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I don't think governor should get involved this project because it is not HIS property... Who owns this WTC complex? Rochfellers? Let him to decide what he wants to do HIS property not the governor.
Rochfellers? lol. Governor has a huge say. The land is owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey a bistate entity that must answer to both governors. So the governor has every right to comment on what goes there.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 09:39 AM   #899
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Hey Guys! No new pics in the last 5 pages! Someone please post some! I'm going to see it next month, but I'm just tooo bloody anxious...
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Old May 9th, 2007, 02:56 PM   #900
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in reality there are 82 floors but it will called 102 storeys because alot of the mechanical floors are triple height and are counted as 3 floors.
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