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Old June 11th, 2009, 07:37 PM   #9001
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If you were the developer that has invested into this retailpodiums and if theese get by the time succesful, would you move your business to make place for towers?

Because of that i mentioned that i dont think that theese will be temporarely if built. And then all the Nimbys will come out and say "ohhh they dont may take us our shops away in which we are used to shop"!
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Old June 11th, 2009, 07:55 PM   #9002
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one of the most important projects in USA, and we are putting podiums!!! I lost all respect for this country and especially for NYC. I'm disgusted beyond words
I pretty much agree. Someone should bring the happy news to Osama.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #9003
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I doubt any podiums on the site will be permanent. This is New York City we’re talking about here. Someone, somewhere, is going to want to build more towers on the site eventually. The space is going to be valuable. Of course, just as long as the Port Authority doesn’t stand in the way....I would settle for Tower 2 right now. Silverstein will probably get Tower 2, he has to. He knows that. New York City is going to offer 100 million dollars towards Tower 2 construction, he just needs to find the rest of the money.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #9004
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I doubt any podiums on the site will be permanent. This is New York City we’re talking about here. Someone, somewhere, is going to want to build more towers on the site eventually. The space is going to be valuable. Of course, just as long as the Port Authority doesn’t stand in the way....I would settle for Tower 2 right now. Silverstein will probably get Tower 2, he has to. He knows that. New York City is going to offer 100 million towards Tower 2 construction, he just needs to find the rest of the money.
I really crossing my fingers for tower 2 at least.
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #9005
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People of New York: "You terrorists can't take anything away from us! We will rebuild!"

Osama Bin Laden: "Yes we can! We found a weapon far superior to suicide bombing... The NYNJ Port Authority!"
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #9006
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People of New York: "You terrorists can't take anything away from us! We will rebuild!"

Osama Bin Laden: "Yes we can! We found a weapon far superior to suicide bombing... The NYNJ Port Authority!"
sad but you are right
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Old June 11th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #9007
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Bin Laden's a smart guy, in fact one of the few smart terrorists out there. Don't underestimate him...he would probably say he had this all planned out from the start.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:28 AM   #9008
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We have just received a video that has rare construction footage of the Freedom Tower. June 8th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejXL2za3-vQ
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Old June 12th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #9009
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now both of the webcams are down/showing an old picture..
so sad, I really got used to watching the daily progress on this interesting and complex site!
hopefully they will be back on track soon!
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Old June 12th, 2009, 06:43 PM   #9010
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I hope so, too. I'm going into withdraw.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 06:47 PM   #9011
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Excuse me... I'm watching this project from long ago, and I think that this tower is showing the slowest progress of all under construction skyscrapers in the world. Am I the only one who feels this?
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Old June 12th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #9012
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I'm sure most people are well aware of the slow progress. Those who know the many reasons why don't go out of their way to state the obvious. You have to have patience and tolerance with this particular project.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:02 PM   #9013
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Excuse me... I'm watching this project from long ago, and I think that this tower is showing the slowest progress of all under construction skyscrapers in the world. Am I the only one who feels this?
You're actually the first to ever bring that up. Thank you for your insight.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:13 PM   #9014
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We discuss the problems of tower 2 and 3 here in more depth

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=869912
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Old June 13th, 2009, 02:46 AM   #9015
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June 12th:
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now both of the webcams are down/showing an old picture..
so sad, I really got used to watching the daily progress on this interesting and complex site!
hopefully they will be back on track soon!
My webcam is not down.
http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com
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Old June 13th, 2009, 08:36 AM   #9017
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I'm not an American, so forgive my naivety over the politix, but considering the symbolism of this site why is there seemingly NO talk of the US Government being involved in getting the rebuild off the ground and finished? Surely they have some skin in this game as well, if only from a symbolic point of view? What does Obama say? Hilary? Can they do ANYTHING

The site is a calamitous embarrassment to the richest and most powerful country on earth...
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Old June 13th, 2009, 09:07 AM   #9018
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The federal government really has no big say in this project; it's just the city government and the state government.

Though it's funny that the new WTC has both the fastest and slowest progressing projects in the US... 1WTC and the hub, and 130 Lib really slow. The memorial, moving fast with all steel being erected in this year, 7WTC being erected in a flash. And of course, WTC Tower 4 being the fastest part of the project; it's breaking records in terms of speed.

If one of the other towers starts up soon, I get the feeling it will be as fast as 4wtc because it will be on the other side of the site.
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Old June 13th, 2009, 09:22 AM   #9019
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Interesting. But surely "stumps" instead of iconic new skyscrapers on the site where the most famous buildings in the world once stood has to become an issue of some national significance, even intervention? It would not happen here in Australia, I can tell you that!
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Interesting. But surely "stumps" instead of iconic new skyscrapers on the site where the most famous buildings in the world once stood has to become an issue of some national significance, even intervention? It would not happen here in Australia, I can tell you that!
I see your point and I agree, but in America we have an unlikely mix of apathy and idiocy; making anything of this scale difficult. You have so many groups involved with this project, so little public involvement or interest. Many people (at least people not accustomed to surfing SkyScraperCity) vaguely believe that they are simply rebuilding the Twin Towers.

Another problem lies in the worldwide financial crises, and since our government is already spending over a trillion dollars attempting to jump-start our economy, many people are leery about putting more money into projects like this. Recently, a project to build a maglev train between Vegas and LA lost support because it was deemed to "frivolous" and not "cost effective", even though it had recieved federal money. And since the demand for more NYC office space isn't very high, that is also a contributing factor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Australia and other Commonwealth countries, there are less layers of government, correct? What I mean is, you have a prime minister elected from your parliament, and more focus on the legislature as a power? If somebody crashed a plane into the Sydney opera house or the amp building, I'm sure parliament would help facilitate the immediate rebuilding, with strong public support. The government of New South Wales or the city government wouldn't be in conflict. The problem is, in the US you have the city, state and national government each with conflicting branches, and each in conflict with each other. Add in the Port Authority and Architects and Contractors and NIMBYS and lobbyists, and you get the biggest bureaucratic mess on earth.

A little long winded, but hopefully mildly informative and not to depressing. I really hope that the developer can ram these towers through to construction, but he needs to ram through a whole lot of red tape.
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