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Old July 3rd, 2009, 05:04 AM   #9241
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That's great to see there filling the foundation in... I think this is going to be good!
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 05:45 AM   #9242
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Zen, would I be correct to assume that each of the four rectangular pits (or "planters"?) are for one individual tree? I count four of them, so if so then I guess that means there will be four trees along that side, then a gap for the east entrance, then presumably four more north of the entrance. The rendering of the west plaza shows 5 trees to each side of the entrance, but I like the idea of just 4 better. As we all know, the base is intended to reflect cool shades of colors all throughout the day, but I'm afraid too many trees are going to block too much of the base. Also, it would prevent a lot of light from reaching into the lobby through those upper vertical windows. The less trees the better (in my opinion).

BTW, are you measuring the circle by radius when you say it's 18 feet wide? The diameter seems to be about 1/6th the length of the FT, which is about 200 feet long.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 06:33 AM   #9243
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Zen, would I be correct to assume that each of the four rectangular pits (or "planters"?) are for one individual tree? I count four of them, so if so then I guess that means there will be four trees along that side, then a gap for the east entrance, then presumably four more north of the entrance. The rendering of the west plaza shows 5 trees to each side of the entrance, but I like the idea of just 4 better. As we all know, the base is intended to reflect cool shades of colors all throughout the day, but I'm afraid too many trees are going to block too much of the base. Also, it would prevent a lot of light from reaching into the lobby through those upper vertical windows. The less trees the better (in my opinion).
I'm surprised they’re putting trees at the base of a supertall tower at all. Where else does that happen? I hope this works out as well as they intended it to. They are definitely treading new water here.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 06:48 AM   #9244
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RKOwens, I'll have to check that on Monday, the Landscape prints are at work.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 08:42 AM   #9245
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is it in foundation level ?
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 08:28 PM   #9246
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 08:33 PM   #9247
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WOW the other tower is progressing quite rapidly.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 09:20 PM   #9248
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I'm surprised they’re putting trees at the base of a supertall tower at all. Where else does that happen? I hope this works out as well as they intended it to. They are definitely treading new water here.
Actually, a lot of buildings have trees around their bases. It's just that I don't know of many supertalls that have had THIS MANY. Even the twins had trees around their bases but not nearly this many. Could you imagine if they had an 80 foot tall barricade of dense leaves around their bases?

I like it when there are a few trees here and there, but this is kinda overkill. I understand the WTC is unique and they're trying to symbolize life, but there are already plenty of trees in the memorial. At least Towers 2-4 won't have so many.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 03:03 AM   #9249
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Hmmmm, my eyes may be playing games with me, but are those beams going from the outwar perimeter columns connecting to the core?
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Old July 4th, 2009, 03:10 AM   #9250
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no I don't think so i think that are the suporting beams of the groudfloor. If you look you see they strecht further outside the wtc1 into the memorial.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 03:37 AM   #9251
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Hmmmm, my eyes may be playing games with me, but are those beams going from the outwar perimeter columns connecting to the core?
What you are seeing is shadows cast on the droped sections of the lobby floor forms where the concrete beams that support it go.
There are no steel floor beams tell we get to the 2nd floor.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #9252
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Wow, it's really coming along. I haven't been checking the progress lately so there are a lot of new details that have sprung up all around.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 02:48 PM   #9253
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Is it just me or have they started dismantling the roof of the PATH station, near where the Memorial entrance building is going to be?
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Old July 4th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #9254
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Yeah, they've been dismantling it for a while now. I remember in the October report how it said the existing PATH hub roof would remain in place throughout the installation of the huge, permanent arches over the eventual PATH mezzanine to act as protection for commuters, but I THINK the eventual PATH mezzanine is only going to stretch as far south as about where the museum entrance/pavillion will be at the plaza above. Can you confirm or deny this, Zen? Or NYatKnight?

I think the area directly below the pavillion will be built with traditional columns (not the huge calatrava arches) and will be retail shops. My guess is that's why they have to remove that area of the existing roof. Hopefully we'll see steel going up there soon.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #9255
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Actually, a lot of buildings have trees around their bases. It's just that I don't know of many supertalls that have had THIS MANY. Even the twins had trees around their bases but not nearly this many. Could you imagine if they had an 80 foot tall barricade of dense leaves around their bases?

I like it when there are a few trees here and there, but this is kinda overkill. I understand the WTC is unique and they're trying to symbolize life, but there are already plenty of trees in the memorial. At least Towers 2-4 won't have so many.
You do realise that they are just trying to fill up the empty space created around the tower for safety reasons (car bombs)
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Old July 4th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #9256
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BTW, are you measuring the circle by radius when you say it's 18 feet wide? The diameter seems to be about 1/6th the length of the FT, which is about 200 feet long.
I measure the pit as being three workers in diameter, so either it's +/-18 feet wide or those guys are 12 feet tall. I think the perspective in that picture is foreshortening the near side of the tower foundation by a misleading extent.
(I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it's a lot of big words, so I'm hoping it will fool people)
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Old July 5th, 2009, 12:35 AM   #9257
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You do realise that they are just trying to fill up the empty space created around the tower for safety reasons (car bombs)
That's a good one , really good one, anti car bomb trees

I think that around the WTC site there are simply going to be many bollards and different types of barriers (fixed or drop arm or whatever other models are out there.)

Wait,
or bollards that look like trees

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Old July 5th, 2009, 01:56 AM   #9258
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The 18 foot circle is a planter, not a fountain (refer to drawings A-500 through A-504.4, for slab re-enforcement see drawing S-1.001 B-R) . It's only about 16 inches deep but gets a stepped wall around it.
18 foot radius. I forgot the drawing I measured is half scale.

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Old July 5th, 2009, 02:57 AM   #9259
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Wow, have you got some more shots of the following pages of the schedule?
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Old July 5th, 2009, 03:24 AM   #9260
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Post the floor plan for floor 75 here. Really cool stuff.
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