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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #10761
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this tower is growing soo slowly
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #10762
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It's like there are no workers on site in those two last photos.Just an observation.
That's what you get with Union workers...
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Old October 7th, 2009, 02:03 AM   #10763
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when the will the first floor above the lobby be completed?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #10764
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: When you look at pictures, you really don't see how many people are working on this project. When you visit in person, the (entire) site is crowded with construction workers! You have to look at really close up pictures to see the people, because the scale is so large. Those jumbo columns look like toothpicks from a distance. Up close they are massive!
Go back here and look at close up photos:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...19362&page=494
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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:24 PM   #10765
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Old October 7th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #10766
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New Columns going up!

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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #10767
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It's like the columns get smaller as they rise.That's what they look like on the photos to me!. Those multi-task cranes are amazing.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #10768
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Well there are supposed to be longer columns, on top of the jumbo columns, coming too. Unless the design changed...
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:20 PM   #10769
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And you get this one....
What the hell is that supposed to mean? That I am stupid because I asked a perfectly relevant question?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:20 PM   #10770
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Nice! Looking forward to seeing more progress.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #10771
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It's like the columns get smaller as they rise.That's what they look like on the photos to me!. Those multi-task cranes are amazing.
Maybe it's just an optical allusion because of the distance but they don't look anywhere near as large as the lower columns and they don't look like they're as tall either. Maybe they're smaller because they're not as worried about a terrorist attack with a truck bomb at this level?
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Well there are supposed to be longer columns, on top of the jumbo columns, coming too. Unless the design changed...
It looks like they're placed 2 new columns on the next level on top of the super columns and they certainly don't look like they are as tall. Maybe they will be two pieces to achieve the height? It looks small enough that the tower crane could have a handle them.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 07:13 PM   #10772
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Maybe it's just an optical allusion because of the distance but they don't look anywhere near as large as the lower columns and they don't look like they're as tall either. Maybe they're smaller because they're not as worried about a terrorist attack with a truck bomb at this level?
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I was supprised how close to the street traffic the the building is being built.
Are there any Published Specs on what the building is supposed to be able
to withstand? Hurricane, bomb, plane? I wonder what the insurance
would be on a such a high profile property, the logistics of keeping everyone
happy (insurance, police, fire, gvt. ect) are mind boggling!
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Old October 7th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #10773
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Why those new columns are "smaller" than lobby ones?
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #10774
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Stupid questions part 2

To the people above that asked the question's about the smaller columns of the 3th and upwards. ARE you blind!! those columns are not at ashed to the supper columns they are setback. If you LAZY people went back a couple of pages to study other picture's you could see that. I think this forum is great because there are some really devoted people that help you find the anywhere to a question and keep info up to date. But if you people beaning to lazy to read a page back or Google some question before putting it out there, you misuse other peoples love for this site.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #10775
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It has to do with something called "unbraced hight". I'll save you from having to go to NJIT and tell you what it is.

The higher a column is between floors the stronger it needs to be. so a 60 foot high unbraced section needs to be stronger (bigger, thicker) than a 20 foot section.

Littlemob, he's refering to the new sections of perimiter columns in the above pic. (backspaces)

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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #10776
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It has to do with something called "unbraced hight". I'll save you from having to go to NJIT and tell you what it is.

The higher a column is between floors the stronger it needs to be. so a 60 foot high unbraced section needs to be stronger (bigger, thicker) than a 20 foot section.

Littlemob, he's refering to the new sections of perimiter columns in the above pic. (backspaces)
"Stupid question alert"
I'm not an Engineer so please forgive the wording of my questions- I just want to learn.
(I do not have builders plans to look like some of you guys LOL! finished rendering is all I have seen so far). There is a few hunderd pages of "whats that" & "Dubai is Better" to sort through before finally giving up and asking a question so I appologize if I asked in the wrong place.
(I also realize the smaller inner steel is not going on top of the larger steel at the bottom)

Here's my questions-

1. How far up the building will the Large collums continue to go? and will the rest of the structure be built with more "normal" sized steel? Nothing about this construction seems conventional so far to me.

2. If I understand correctly the inner collums they are putting up now work like a "buttress" on a catherdeal by helping hold the outter collums in place? Does it add add a wider cross sectional width to the collum when it's all tied together?

3. People have been talking about the "slow progress" due to welding Are they welding
all the joints completely? If so is it for Super Extra Strength or is that fairly common practice on a
building this size? (I know they weld alot but not that much)

If i'm wrong feel free to laugh. Just tell me the correct answer
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #10777
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #10778
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I believe the new perimeter columns are smaller mainly because there will be more of them. There will be an additional vertical column over the giant "doorway", and there will be several diagonal columns. You can make them out in the above render. In other words, there are six jumbo columns on each side of the building at lobby level. On the next level, you have 13 columns per side.

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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #10779
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #10780
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I don't see anything wrong with people who do manual labor making a lot of money. They are the people that work the hardest after all.
I don't either....wait til he hears what the ironworkers make....he'll have a cow!
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