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Old May 19th, 2007, 10:29 PM   #1061
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Today: Two freestanding cranes

Wow massive! So sad I have to go 3 pages back through nonsense about Dubai to find this update... but thanks for posting!
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Old May 20th, 2007, 03:11 AM   #1062
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Since nobody has asked my questions, I will just ask them again, and please do not answer with personal attacks aimed at me.

1. Does anyone find it odd that the kangaroo cranes have errected prior to any actual foundation work being done?

2. How many skyscrapers had kangaroo cranes errected prior to the rising above ground level?

3. If the foundation is really being started on the FT, then why does a recent shot of it show a tractor near the six beams that are still standing there as well as other derrick cranes?

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Old May 21st, 2007, 02:43 AM   #1063
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That does seem unusual to me as well. Good questions.
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Old May 21st, 2007, 03:44 AM   #1064
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This may be a stupid question but why are the cranes placed so near to each other? Usually the cranes will go in either side of the building, or opposite sides of the core, but never one besides the other.
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Old May 21st, 2007, 09:03 AM   #1065
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Perhaps each crane will work 180 degree angle. But, I do find it rather odd myself that the cranes flew up so early during the foundation phase. But, perhaps there's a reason for that somewhere out there?
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Old May 21st, 2007, 09:31 AM   #1066
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Perhaps each crane will work 180 degree angle. But, I do find it rather odd myself that the cranes flew up so early during the foundation phase. But, perhaps there's a reason for that somewhere out there?
It may have to do with space issues. Since this is a pit and will be for a while longer before it reaches the street they may want to put up the cranes now as opposed to later so they wont have to put up another crane to put the cranes in the core.
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Old May 21st, 2007, 05:08 PM   #1067
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Aren't these renders magnificent?



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Old May 21st, 2007, 05:27 PM   #1068
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Why is the construction progress so slow?
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 01:12 AM   #1069
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It may have to do with space issues. Since this is a pit and will be for a while longer before it reaches the street they may want to put up the cranes now as opposed to later so they wont have to put up another crane to put the cranes in the core.
These cranes will be climbing through the building which is mainly steel in construction.. just like the building Goldman Sachs building behind. Those cranes are being jacked up through the buildings steel frame. At WTC.. the crane on the right(if you look at the webcam) will maily work on it's side.. It'll most likely load from the road on the right.. If you look at it's boom, it's about 20-metres shorter than the other crane.. This could be so it doesn't hit the building next door... Also the other Boom on the other crane is bigger to reach other possible load sites... It could also have something to do with the top out.. One of those cranes will be lifting the other down.. the bigger boom one could end up being used to construct the spire.. But there is space for a third tower climbing crane on the outside... But these cranes are there now because thats what you do.. The big climbing crane at BofA site on the oustide goes all the way to the ground... If anyone goes to the GS site.. you'll see the lifting frames.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 01:25 AM   #1070
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Good renders except in the first one the FT looks off. It's too skewed. I've seen a lot of renders with that problem. I wonder why it is so hard to get the corners right on this particular building.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 03:03 AM   #1071
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http://www.panynj.gov/drp/gallery/sh...nav=crpicstble

Not sure if this was reported but the Port Authority posted pics about 6 days ago from April.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 03:26 AM   #1072
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Aren't these renders magnificent?


There are mistakes in this render. The top of the Freedom Tower is supposed to be square. It certainly doesn't look square in the render. And look to the left of the base. Where's the wall?
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 04:17 AM   #1073
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No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 04:28 AM   #1074
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Yes, the renders are fine. It's called linear perspective. And I have no idea what you mean about this 'missing wall'...
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 05:16 AM   #1075
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No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.
I disagree. It shouldn't look like that from any angle. Obviously I know about perspective.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 05:37 AM   #1076
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The top of the Freedom Tower looks square, even from that perspective.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 06:18 AM   #1077
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OK, whatever...if you say so. This isn't worth arguing about.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 06:44 AM   #1078
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OK, whatever...if you say so. This isn't worth arguing about.
If it isn't worth arguing about then don't bring it up. Obviously if you contest to something people will jump in and give their opinions and thus an argument will spawn.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 07:00 AM   #1079
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The far left bottom anchor is missing in the render (possibly the far right also, but we can't see it), which messed up the whole shape of the building.

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No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.
Huh?? I'm looking at it from the perspective from which it was rendered. It's impossible for me to look at it from the wrong perspective. If the top was square, the wall that's closer to us should appear wider than the one to the right.

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Yes, the renders are fine. It's called linear perspective. And I have no idea what you mean about this 'missing wall'...
Look at the base of the building. Where's the wall on the left, parallel to the street? The building looks flat.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 07:01 AM   #1080
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These cranes will be climbing through the building which is mainly steel in construction.. just like the building Goldman Sachs building behind. Those cranes are being jacked up through the buildings steel frame. At WTC.. the crane on the right(if you look at the webcam) will maily work on it's side.. It'll most likely load from the road on the right.. If you look at it's boom, it's about 20-metres shorter than the other crane.. This could be so it doesn't hit the building next door... Also the other Boom on the other crane is bigger to reach other possible load sites... It could also have something to do with the top out.. One of those cranes will be lifting the other down.. the bigger boom one could end up being used to construct the spire.. But there is space for a third tower climbing crane on the outside... But these cranes are there now because thats what you do.. The big climbing crane at BofA site on the oustide goes all the way to the ground... If anyone goes to the GS site.. you'll see the lifting frames.
Don't forget that when the original 'Twins' were being built, each tower had *FOUR* of those derrick cranes working, one at each corner.

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