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Old October 8th, 2009, 07:54 PM   #10801
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But the buildings there don't go higher than 5 floors
haha, you're right there - maybe 10 years ago but now we have a few 70 odd floor skyscrapers going up at the moment. nothing like NY but better designed though. Look at the shard and Bishopsgate tower.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 07:58 PM   #10802
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haha, you're right there - maybe 10 years ago but now we have a few 70 odd floor skyscrapers going up at the moment. nothing like NY but better designed though. Look at the shard and Bishopsgate tower.
Yeah! there's much less "Boxing" compared to the buildings in NY.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:24 PM   #10803
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yeah, I have never seen a tower go up so slow. It hasn't changed much in a year - the same amount of time it takes the rest of the world to build a whole skyscraper. Some people will say the usuall - that it has to be terrorist proof and stringent health and safty, the usual excuses. But we have these same parameters in UK and it doesn't take this long to build like 5 floors - what's going on USA... why so slow?
Supertall skyscrapers don't go up in a year, you idiot. Especially not ones that sit on such a logistical nightmare.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:31 PM   #10804
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Supertall skyscrapers don't go up in a year, you idiot. Especially not ones that sit on such a logistical nightmare.
of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #10805
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #10806
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of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.
Name one 400m+ skyscraper that's been finished in less than two years.

Aside from the Empire State Building, of course.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:48 PM   #10807
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Name one 400m+ skyscraper that's been finished in less than two years.

Aside from the Empire State Building, of course.
Guangzhou West Tower went up in about two years.

Other towers with very impressive speed are The Torch, Ocean Heights, Pearl River Tower, and Tianjin World Financial Center. Kingkey Financial is flying up too.
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My point is that it's rare for supertalls to go up in less than two years. There's a good reason for why 1WTC is going up slow.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #10809
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of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.
That would be TWO years. Last I checked basement levels counted as a tower. And again, how many places in the world had TWO supertall towers destroyed in a terrorist attack, had an entire 16 acre area cleared out about a hundred feet deep, had to reinforce the concrete wall, all while over a subway station constantly in use in one of the densest areas in the world?
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Old October 8th, 2009, 09:46 PM   #10810
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Old October 8th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #10811
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Guangzhou West Tower went up in about two years.

Other towers with very impressive speed are The Torch, Ocean Heights, Pearl River Tower, and Tianjin World Financial Center. Kingkey Financial is flying up too.
Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #10812
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can we go back to updates of freedom tower..so what if your towers in the UK are going up faster..who effin cares, good for you..do you want a cookie?..go and complain it on your forum..this is freedom tower talk only..
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Old October 8th, 2009, 10:32 PM   #10813
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Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best.
Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?
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Old October 8th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #10814
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Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?
Ahhh it's far larger than most of the supertalls that have gone up in the last 10 years. They don't make skyscrapers like this anymore, the Freedom Tower is the end of an era. The new trend is slim and slender. I don't know what you're complaining about, it’s far better quality than almost any super tall being constructed today, and safer.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 11:21 PM   #10815
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Ahhh it's far larger than most of the supertalls that have gone up in the last 10 years. They don't make skyscrapers like this anymore, the Freedom Tower is the end of an era. The new trend is slim and slender. I don't know what you're complaining about, it’s far better quality than almost any super tall being constructed today, and safer.
i have to admit: that's true. you can't get both: super fast construction and super safety. you have to choose . and yeah, SWFC is a good example of quality and safety.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #10816
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Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?
Yeah it's called 9/11. Now drop it.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #10817
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where are the mods.. if you look at the low def cam north core crane jumped and now is leveled with south core crane..

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Old October 9th, 2009, 01:00 AM   #10818
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Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best .
Yeah, maybe they are, but the Freedom Tower isn't that amazing. It is nice, don't get me wrong, but the design isn't really innovative. It is good for New York but I can't see it in any other skyline in the world.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 01:06 AM   #10819
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i dont like this city right now :P GO TWINS!!! but i love the buildings
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Old October 9th, 2009, 01:06 AM   #10820
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Yeah, maybe they are, but the Freedom Tower isn't that amazing. It is nice, don't get me wrong, but the design isn't really innovative. It is good for New York but I can't see it in any other skyline in the world.
What's not amazing about it? What did you want to see instead? It's supposed to be a reflection of the original Twin Towers, no one thought those were that great when built either. Maybe you need to wait until it's up before judging. I think it will certainly rank along the lines of the SWFC and Burji Dubai.
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