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Old October 10th, 2009, 08:34 PM   #10861
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Makes me wonder how far above the concrete in the core the steel is allowed to get. Once the next columns are up and the tower cranes can take over the job steel erection could really fly if it didn't have to wait for the concrete to catch up.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #10862
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nice, slowly they speed up
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Old October 10th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #10863
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Awesome process!!!

What is the current status on WTC 2 and 3? Last time I heard that they didn't make an agreement yet. I hope they finally reach an agreement and start construction soon.
Last time I checked Silverstein and the Port Authority were in arbitration, so something will probably be hashed out soon, and it will be binding when it gets decided.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #10864
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Old October 10th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #10865
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Last time I checked Silverstein and the Port Authority were in arbitration, so something will probably be hashed out soon, and it will be binding when it gets decided.
The 2006 agreement was supposed to be binding as well. Look how well that turned out!

We should see 4WTC and one more of Silverstein's towers get financing backstopped by the PA. I'd expect one of the towers foundations to start next year. The other tower will get built up to grade as well since the whole site is interconnected to one another.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #10866
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Well looks like they have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/re...sqft.html?_r=1

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Q. What’s the problem?
A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.

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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:05 AM   #10867
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Makes me wonder how far above the concrete in the core the steel is allowed to get. Once the next columns are up and the tower cranes can take over the job steel erection could really fly if it didn't have to wait for the concrete to catch up.
I have not come across a direct answer to that question, how high can the core steel go unsupported by core concrete.

Personally, I think they can go higher with the core steel once the west side has reached the 4th floor (current top of core steel.) It's all has to do with unbraced hight and the load bearing capacity of the core steel columns.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:32 AM   #10868
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First post

This is my first post. I took these today.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:35 AM   #10869
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The whole point is that this thread is about the construction of 1WTC, it's not the place to discuss what happened on 9/11.


Thanks to all the updaters for the pictures, keep up the good work.
But then again, if 9/11 didn't happen, this thread probably wouldn't exist, so its bound to appear.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:36 AM   #10870
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i can't yet see the middle core... I hope that starts rising soon
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:45 AM   #10871
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Very nice pictures, Cativo!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:52 AM   #10872
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An awesome first post! Welcome and thanks
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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #10873
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Great pics, Cativo! Excellent first post!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:13 AM   #10874
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They've already been posted (and credited) on another site. I almost posted to your flickr account but I'll just let you know here how awesome those are. Any chance we could get the original resolution? Either way NICE.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:13 AM   #10875
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I hope they can work this out...

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Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/re...sqft.html?_r=1
One would think the simple solution would be is to allow the Silverstein group to finish the infrastructure assuming it is on-site to keep the schedule in place. Union rules and municipal laws would probably not allow this. I wonder if this same issue will pop-up on Freedom Tower on the other side of the site? I was in NYC in June and frankly did not see any significant public works construction outside of ground zero other than some work in the train tunnels themselves about two blocks away so I am wondering what he is referring to in the interview?

Freedom Tower seems to be taking shape and it is nice to see those support columns installed. In the latest pictures those workers at the bottom of the columns really illustrates how massive those things really are... the lobby area is going to be incredible when done!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:20 AM   #10876
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One would think the simple solution would be is to allow the Silverstein group to finish the infrastructure assuming it is on-site to keep the schedule in place. Union rules and municipal laws would probably not allow this. I wonder if this same issue will pop-up on Freedom Tower on the other side of the site? I was in NYC in June and frankly did not see any significant public works construction outside of ground zero other than some work in the train tunnels themselves about two blocks away so I am wondering what he is referring to in the interview?

Freedom Tower seems to be taking shape and it is nice to see those support columns installed. In the latest pictures those workers at the bottom of the columns really illustrates how massive those things really are... the lobby area is going to be incredible when done!
The western half of the site with the memorial and Tower 1 are fine. The eastern side with Towers 2, 3, 4, and the transit hub are in trouble. Just for some perspective: the PA is building Tower 1, the memorial, the transit hub, the vehicle security center, and the new Greenwich Street. Silverstein ceded control of Tower 1 to the Port Authority years ago, and he now controls 2, 3, and 4. Those towers need the infrastructure of the transit hub before they can be completed. If the Port Authority keeps dragging their feet and never get around to finishing the transit hub Silverstein is stuck with his other towers since they need the underground infrastructure.

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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:42 AM   #10877
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Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/re...sqft.html?_r=1

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Q. What’s the problem?
A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.
Keep in mind that the source isn't exactly a nuetral third-party. Silverstein is locked into a nasty arbitration dispute with the Port Authority, and has a serious cashflow problem of his own. It's in his interest to make the PANYNJ look as bad as possible, and minimize his own failings as much as possible.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:26 AM   #10878
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They've already been posted (and credited) on another site. I almost posted to your flickr account but I'll just let you know here how awesome those are. Any chance we could get the original resolution? Either way NICE.
Sure:
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3348.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3350.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3351.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3353.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3354.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3357.JPG
btw my flickr account's got a different name because Cativo was already taken.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:30 AM   #10879
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Nice pictures indeed!! Thank you for that Cativo! It's looking great!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:56 AM   #10880
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Awesome! Great camera, by the way. Seems like anything taken with a Canon EOS is just fantastic. Once I wear out my PowerShot I might have to upgrade.
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