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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:18 AM   #10881
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Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?
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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:52 AM   #10882
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Wow...just got a new widescreen monitor today....what a difference over my old LCD....fantastic pics Cativo!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 05:15 AM   #10883
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Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?
The steel will go up with the core, and I believe that the core cement will lag behind the core steel for most if not all of the construction. WTC7 was built this way as well.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 06:58 AM   #10884
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Well looks like they have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/re...sqft.html?_r=1
There's not an actual stop work order issued. All he says is that at the present rate of construction the building will be finished two years before the infrastructure. Sounds like he's strengthening its position for negotiations regarding towers 2 and 3 if you ask me. He obviously does not want the additional costs there would be incurred if construction is stopped and restarted.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #10885
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But then again, if 9/11 didn't happen, this thread probably wouldn't exist, so its bound to appear.
Of course it's going to appear now and then, but that doesn't mean we should have a discussion about it every time it comes up in this thread.
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Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?
The reason for the difference with other skyscrapers is that here the core is made up of a steel frame and concrete. If it's just a concrete core it can easily slide up because the floors are connected to the concrete. They could have also done that here on the WTC1, but here the steel beams for the floors are actually connected with the steel frame in the core. If they would pour the concrete before the floors beams are installed this wouldn't be possible anymore because the concrete would be in the way..

Just with the first part of the core this wasn't as obvious because in the lobby there are no floors so they could slide the forms up just like they do with buildings that only have a concrete core.

Therefor the construction on the top will from now on probably look like a normal steel skyscraper without a core that clearly sticks out above the floors. It will just be much more complex just under the top with the concrete for the core being poured inside the building.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 11:20 AM   #10886
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The site hardly seems to have changed in months.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #10887
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The site hardly seems to have changed in months.
June 1st:
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Old October 11th, 2009, 12:51 PM   #10888
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Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span. We've been hoping that after reaching ground level the speed would increase. Everybody understands the extreme complexity of the site, but the rithm seems to be is undeniably slow.

We've seen so many constructions in others threads in the meanwhile.

I've read the sentence "....in the next few weks they'll speed up" so many time that I can't even count them.

I hope after the first level of jumbo column that will come true... it shouldn't take more then an another month I guess... let's hope!

(btw, thanks to all the posters that keep up us updated, I really appreciate)
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:56 PM   #10889
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Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span. We've been hoping that after reaching ground level the speed would increase. Everybody understands the extreme complexity of the site, but the rithm seems to be is undeniably slow.

We've seen so many constructions in others threads in the meanwhile.

I've read the sentence "....in the next few weks they'll speed up" so many time that I can't even count them.

I hope after the first level of jumbo column that will come true... it shouldn't take more then an another month I guess... let's hope!

(btw, thanks to all the posters that keep up us updated, I really appreciate)
now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.

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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:07 PM   #10890
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Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span.
You either aren't paying attention or have delusional expectations about the pace of construction at this site. How many things have changed in the four month span between the two pictures?
  • Concrete poured to lobby level for entire tower footprint.
  • North core concrete rises to level of south core.
  • Erecting steel installed on north core.
  • Concrete poured for east Plaza.
  • Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on east plaza.
  • Concrete poured for west Plaza.
  • Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on west plaza.
  • Temporary steel removed from Fulton street.
  • Final arches installed in Fulton street connector.
  • Water proofing partially installed over Fulton street connector.
  • Installation of 15 jumbo permiter columns.
  • Installation of eastern 3rd floor beams.
  • Installation of eastern 2nd floor steel hanging from 3rd floor.
  • Installation of eastern 3rd floor decking.
  • Construction of eastern dividing wall steel up to 4th floor.
  • Installation of several eastern perimeter columns up to 4th floor.
  • Partial installation of 4th floor decking.
  • North tower crane jumped.
  • Rebar added to south core to prepare for next pour.


What have you done in the last 4 months?
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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:08 PM   #10891
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now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.

Actually saying that people are writting what they see is spaming or offtopic you are making an idiot of yourself. You know, i'm not the one of such people, but only becouse i know there is allready tens (or hundreds) keeping "too slow" subject alive. Even more, I find current progress (last few months) quite fast compared to past, and hope it really become "floor a week" speed after installing jumbocollumns. But you have to understeand, that if somebody new on forum (such wont propably read last few hundreds pages like you or me) will just check progress let say half year back then his/her reaction will be obvious. So be a bit more tolerant, because not everybody know that "too slow" sentence has been written hundreds times here and his/her addition is not necesery
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Old October 11th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #10892
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now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.
Why don't you cool down a little bubba and read my whole post? Or at least try to express yourself in a more mature way?
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Old October 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #10893
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You either aren't paying attention or have delusional expectations about the pace of construction at this site. How many things have changed in the four month span between the two pictures?
  • Concrete poured to lobby level for entire tower footprint.
  • North core concrete rises to level of south core.
  • Erecting steel installed on north core.
  • Concrete poured for east Plaza.
  • Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on east plaza.
  • Concrete poured for west Plaza.
  • Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on west plaza.
  • Temporary steel removed from Fulton street.
  • Final arches installed in Fulton street connector.
  • Water proofing partially installed over Fulton street connector.
  • Installation of 15 jumbo permiter columns.
  • Installation of eastern 3rd floor beams.
  • Installation of eastern 2nd floor steel hanging from 3rd floor.
  • Installation of eastern 3rd floor decking.
  • Construction of eastern dividing wall steel up to 4th floor.
  • Installation of several eastern perimeter columns up to 4th floor.
  • Partial installation of 4th floor decking.
  • North tower crane jumped.
  • Rebar added to south core to prepare for next pour.


What have you done in the last 4 months?
beside the "personal" sentence at the end, quite uncalled..

Yes, I understand progress are faster then before, as well I understand the complexity of the site, as I was stating.

We like architecture and construction,I guess, since we are here.

I am clearly not an expert, and I miss particulars that somebody, directly or indirectly, explained to me in this thread.

My intenction, maybe not clear enough if you read my post, was to get info on the following fact : "after the first jumbo column perimeter is in place, will the construction speed up?" .

I have always read that the slowliness was due to the extreme complexity of the site (as I state in my post, and although many contruction sites have some peculiar complexity, even if, I think , not comparable with this one).

Was hoping somebody could explain if after the first jumbo perimeter,being the site all above ground, the complexity will be reduced becoming MORE similar to others hirises in steel with a concrete core.

Also, I am very interested in this project and I feel free to discuss all the topics, speedness included.

Again thanks to pics -posters...
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Old October 11th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #10894
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no but this is a tower in America, this is an American page, its an American Website, everyone else on here is speaking english, so you better speak english. how would you feel if i spoke hungarian or french on here?
actually, it's a dutch website
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Old October 11th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #10895
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June 1st:
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4 months later:
??? You post a comment and then you post two pics that completely contradict what you say, lol. Looking at the pics, I clearly see 4 months worth of progress on this project.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #10896
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??? You post a comment and then you post two pics that completely contradict what you say, lol. Looking at the pics, I clearly see 4 months worth of progress on this project.
Huh? I just showed that other guy that they did made quite a lot of things in these 4 months.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #10897
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actually, it's a dutch website
This discussion seriously needs to end, so:

image hosted on flickr



Let me know if anybody needs more proof, I'll be happy to provide.
As of now though:
The website is american.
The official language of the main website (the international section) is English:
Therefore post in English, or a Mod has every right to delete your comment (and will hopefully do so).
Any more questions?

Hope this OT can finish now because it has seriously passed the level of decency...
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Old October 11th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #10898
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now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.
I have been busy striking back. I went through the thread the other day and each inane poster was dealt with swiftly via the ignore button. I've had enough. Most of them post nonsense in more than one thread so I 86'd 'em.

Theory is that if they don't pay enough attention to post crap, then I won't be needing to read anything they write. Sure makes for better reading!
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Old October 11th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #10899
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It already looks imposing when driving pass by it
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Old October 11th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #10900
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