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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:44 AM   #11081
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All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards I rest my case.
I have reported you to the administrators for your very rude comments. 20 posts and you act like a fool. Expect to be banned soon troll.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:47 AM   #11082
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Don't ask that question lol. These Americans get a bit touchy when people ask that - they think it's America bashing when all we wamt to know is WHY IS THIS GOING SO SLOW. Probably the slowest construction I have ever seen.
Yep, now I DEFINITELY have the largest ignore list on the site. If you had half a brain you'd know why it's taking so long and no, it has nothing to do with where we live, it's just plain old common sense which you obviously HAVE ZERO OF. Nice talkin' to ya....CYA!

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WOW! Insulting 300 mil people in an internet forum! You've got guts!
I guess it needs a lot of balls and brain to do that! congrats!
Can we ban the troll?
Just ignore them by accessing their profile/user lists/ignore.....they're morons and don't belong on the site, but asking the mods to ban them might not happen as fast as the ignore button.

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Added them to the ignore list and reported them. Not much else to do.
Apparently a column or two went up today. That should leave three.
I miss the high def earthcam more than I thought I would.
Good idea about reporting them....never thought of that one!

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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:17 AM   #11083
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3 Jumbo Columns left!

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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:23 AM   #11084
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:52 AM   #11085
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thanks for the pics Onn
btw what kind of kamera do you use?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 07:56 AM   #11086
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Running a bit ahead of the plan, aren't they? Did I see many pages ago that the columns wouldn't be finished until mid-November? Looks like they are getting ready to pour more of the plaza, too.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 08:17 AM   #11087
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btw what kind of kamera do you use?
Sorry, they are not mine. I reposted someone else’s pictures. If I could take pictures of this project I would.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 08:19 AM   #11088
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All these reasons i took into account for the 18 months it took to construct up to ground level. But then it should have started to rise quite quickly but another year has gone by and construction is still at the lobby. I know they are going for a steel frame and a core so i can imagine it taking twice as long but nothing height wise has really happened for nine months.
The first 200 feet in height are basically a concrete fortress to withstand street level bombings similar to the van bombing of the 1993 WTC attack. This requires highly redundant construction that is much more involved than the average supertall that doesn't share these security concerns. After the first 200 feet, the pace of construction should more closely mirror similar buildings.

I'm assuming you're from the Windermere in the northwest of England, to which I can only say that it must be tough for someone from such a rural area to appreciate the complexities of building in the densest real estate in the entire world.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 11:34 AM   #11089
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Nice burn that will shut them up.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 02:37 PM   #11090
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The first 200 feet in height are basically a concrete fortress to withstand street level bombings similar to the van bombing of the 1993 WTC attack. This requires highly redundant construction that is much more involved than the average supertall that doesn't share these security concerns. After the first 200 feet, the pace of construction should more closely mirror similar buildings.

I'm assuming you're from the Windermere in the northwest of England, to which I can only say that it must be tough for someone from such a rural area to appreciate the complexities of building in the densest real estate in the entire world.
Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harsh
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:01 PM   #11091
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Sorry, they are not mine. I reposted someone else’s pictures. If I could take pictures of this project I would.
Ah....the old Kensington right click camera.
Thanks for finding the photos Onn. Makes up for Earthcam's lack of interest.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:27 PM   #11092
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Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harsh
I think that's the main thing: people usually don't take notice of a skyscraper until it's already climbing into the sky. People not only took notice of this one a lot earlier, but they have a firm date to point back toward: September 11, 2001. It's easy to forget the amount of time eaten up by search and recovery for bodies and clearing up the debris from the collapse, the time wasted by the failed Lower Manhattan Development Corporation which proposed one problematic design after another, and the complexities that arose from rebuilding the subway and commuter rail lines before building the foundations for the new buildings.

Since power was consolidated to the two entities with an actual financial stake in the site -- the Port Authority, which owns the land, and Silverstein, who holds the lease -- things have actually moved as fast as can be expected given the size, scope and special considerations of this site. Before my father retired from the state, he worked on the Route 9A realignment adjacent to the site. It gave him nightmares. He said the complications compared to working on roads elsewhere in the city, much less elsewhere in the state, was unbelievable.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 07:50 PM   #11093
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The crane from that photo its probably moved little to the right or not...?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 08:19 PM   #11094
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The crane from that photo its probably moved little to the right or not...?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:25 PM   #11095
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Hopefully they finish the last three perimeter columns by the end of this week or beginning of next week

BTW by the looks of rbgz webcam, they began laying the decking down of floor five
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:27 PM   #11096
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Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harsh
Well unlike the newer generation of cities with supertalls, cities like New York and London are EXTREMELY dense, plus you have to take into account for historical structures nearby. An exception to the density rule is Hong Kong, but then again, it happens to be in a country with two billion people. And Dubai is in the desert, so it's not exactly dense there.


And of course, what you said besides the American bashing wasn't too harsh. :P
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:28 PM   #11097
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and somebody from wiredny also said that another column was lifted today!!

excellant progress lately! this building is really taking shape! I beleive by this time next year we'll be well above ground! atleast 20 or 30 floors! maybe more?
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Old October 21st, 2009, 10:47 PM   #11098
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and somebody from wiredny also said that another column was lifted today!!

excellant progress lately! this building is really taking shape! I beleive by this time next year we'll be well above ground! atleast 20 or 30 floors! maybe more?
It's supposed to be topped out toward the end of 2011, so your estimate is about right, maybe a little more. With the "floor a weeK" schedule, you could expect about 52 floors in a year, and the tower in reality is only 86 floors (correct me if I am wrong, please).

Now that I think about it, I think there was something a few pages back about it being up to the 58th floor by Q4 2010.

Hope that helped. ^_^;
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Old October 21st, 2009, 11:04 PM   #11099
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It's supposed to be topped out toward the end of 2011, so your estimate is about right, maybe a little more. With the "floor a weeK" schedule, you could expect about 52 floors in a year, and the tower in reality is only 86 floors (correct me if I am wrong, please).

Now that I think about it, I think there was something a few pages back about it being up to the 58th floor by Q4 2010.

Hope that helped. ^_^;
Thank you=] I believe the tower is 102 floors with about 86 floors of office space, the rest of the floors will be mechanical and two floors dedicated to observation and a restaurant. I just wanna see pics of that new column that went up today!
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Hopefully they finish the last three perimeter columns by the end of this week or beginning of next week

BTW by the looks of rbgz webcam, they began laying the decking down of floor five
That would be a neat trick seeing as how the east side is only up to the 4th floor.
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