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Old November 2nd, 2009, 11:46 PM   #11321
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YES!!!! now that everything is put together on the bottom it should shoot up quickly right!? does anyone think we will be 200 or 300 feet up by the end of this year maybe
My guess is they'll reach the top of the lower podium (which is 186 feet high) by the end of 1Q 2010. After that height, supposedly we're going to see 1WTC move up one floor per week (that's going to be tough IMO).

I think once Fulton street is available and the Vesey street bridge is moved over, they'll have more room to work. That should help on the logistical side and speed things up.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 02:23 AM   #11322
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I can't wait for some real progress on this thing. So far the pace of construction just been a huge embarrassment.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 02:52 AM   #11323
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I can't wait for some real progress on this thing. So far the pace of construction just been a huge embarrassment.
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Yes, but he's presuming those towers won't be built in our lifetime, which is BS.
If Port Authority will get a site, that 99% will happen. Remember Silverstein only had land right until 2014. I hope for the best although
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 03:17 AM   #11324
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Alright, ENOUGH OF THIS

Those of you that respond to all of the slow progress comments are getting to be just as bad. Just ******* stop it already.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 03:46 AM   #11325
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Ground Zero Arts Center: Time Is Not on Its Side

Ground Zero Arts Center: Time Is Not on Its Side

f preparations are not made — and funds are not provided — to lay the foundation for the performing arts center at ground zero within the next four months, the project will not happen.

That at least was the message that Kate D. Levin, the cultural affairs commissioner, delivered in urgent tones at a City Council hearing last week. “There is such a narrow window of opportunity to ensure that the site remains viable,” Ms. Levin told the Committee on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment on Oct. 21. “If we don’t take advantage of this opportunity, we believe it will be lost.”

After years of taking a back seat to other long-delayed development projects at ground zero, the performing arts center has suddenly come to the fore, as both a focus of discussion and a bone of contention. The underground work now being done by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the World Trade Center site, is expected to reach the location planned for the arts center in about four months.

When it does, if money is not in place to build structural underpinnings suitable for the large-scale project, construction is expected to bypass the site.

The issue is contributing to long-simmering tensions over ground zero between the city and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, widely considered a state agency because it is a subsidiary of the Empire State Development Corporation, though its board is composed of both city and state appointees. In the first years after 9/11, Gov. George E. Pataki became the most visible public figure involved in the development of the World Trade Center site, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg deferred to him. Recently, though, the city has taken a more assertive role, suggesting that divisions between the city and the corporation — along with other stakeholders, like the Port Authority and the developer Larry A. Silverstein — are likely to escalate.

In this case the city, represented by Ms. Levin, is arguing forcefully for the importance of respecting the original master plan for ground zero, which calls for a performing arts center — the architect Frank Gehry was selected in 2004 to design it — in the area bounded by Fulton, Greenwich, Vesey and Washington Streets. Locating the arts center on the ground zero site “is key to the urbanism of that whole district,” Ms. Levin said at the hearing, and essential to “sewing together the revitalization of this entire area.”

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, meanwhile, has been actively pursuing an alternate place for the arts center, south of ground zero: the Deutsche Bank building site at 130 Liberty Street, which the corporation owns and where it believes the arts center can be built much faster and more cheaply.

The work that Ms. Levin is so concerned about — the construction of footings and foundations for the arts center on the Trade Center site — is expected to cost about $40 million, according to the Port Authority, and the authority and the city are depending on about half of that to come from some $50 million over which the corporation has control. That money has yet to be released.

The corporation is now completing a feasibility study that it says will point up many advantages of the Liberty Street site. For one thing, it would provide an existing foundation — that of the Deutsche Bank building — and would mean that the center would not have to be built over a complex grid of train tracks and an emergency car exit ramp.

More important, perhaps, because the temporary World Trade Center PATH station now sits on the planned site for the performing arts center at ground zero, construction at that location could not start until the architect Santiago Calatrava’s permanent station to the south is completed. That will happen sometime in or after 2013, the Port Authority estimates, though others predict that the permanent station won’t be finished until 2016 or later.

Work at 130 Liberty, on the other hand, could begin as soon as 2011, according to the corporation, which recently announced that the much-delayed demolition of the Deutsche Bank building would begin next month and be completed by the end of 2010.

Various downtown officials — like John E. Zuccotti, a board member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the chairman of Brookfield Properties Corporation, which owns buildings around the Trade Center site — support the idea of moving the arts center.

“I favor the other site,” he said in an interview, speaking of 130 Liberty. “It will ensure that the performing arts center is built and built quickly.”

According to early results of the feasibility study, cost estimates for the project came in at about $300 million for 130 Liberty Street and nearly twice that for the Trade Center site, largely because of the expected escalation in construction costs in coming years.

But city officials say the development corporation has underestimated the complexity and cost of building at the Deutsche Bank site and the time it would take to start construction. “There is a lot of uncertainty about the schedule and cost for the 130 Liberty site, and a number of factors may very well make the site problematic,” Ms. Levin said on Friday. “Major access and design issues haven’t been resolved — the kinds of questions that can’t be answered without significant design time and additional costs.”

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:02 AM   #11326
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This is really nice. Is there any other place where steel from Twin Towers is used?
Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 09:58 AM   #11327
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Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.
LOL a lot of the "ghost curse" inflicted upon the materials was transferred over there! Just kidding..
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 03:14 PM   #11328
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Yes, but he's presuming those towers won't be built in our lifetime, which is BS
what if im an old fart and my time's up!?!?

nah you know maybe we'll see them but it really sucks that it might not be for a long time.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:17 PM   #11329
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Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.
Or maybe it's going into Shanghai Tower.....
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:19 PM   #11330
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perimeter jumbo steal are done....theres a flag and another banner hanging on the northside
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:45 PM   #11331
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Just checked the webcam a minute ago and it was still pointing down. Accidentally hit the bookmark again and it was up! Weird.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:50 PM   #11332
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wow first time it didn't take them weeks to fix a cam

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:14 PM   #11333
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BUILD THE WTC 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:14 PM   #11334
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:15 PM   #11335
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wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?
I think it's loading test.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 07:23 PM   #11336
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Oh really? There's a pic of it 5 posts above yours...
yea, im not quite that great at spoting whats going on. Remember, im somewhat new at the construction world
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:25 PM   #11337
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wow first time it didn't take them weeks to fix a cam

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?
They are supposed to put down a few feet of dirt and then the final street level pavement on top of that.

I wonder if the dirt is coming directly from the excavation in the East bathtub?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:48 PM   #11338
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That's a possibility. Looking at the earthcam it seems as if some of the dirt down in the 3WTC site has been dug up.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:49 PM   #11339
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wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?
Trees will line Fulton Street. Can trees grow without dirt?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:51 PM   #11340
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Trees will line Fulton Street. Can trees grow without dirt?
too early for trees there buddy

trees will be last think to go up
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