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Old November 20th, 2009, 08:04 PM   #11681
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I think this makes more sense as naming them M floors with the same number.
What I know for sure is that floors 7 through 19 don't exist.

I guess this pic should explain it. It is a bit old, so don't look at the captions.

The floors that aren't present on the pic are a bit smaller and labelled M for Mezzanine. (Again, I could be wrong.)
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Old November 20th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #11682
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Thx, thats exactly the reason I wanted to know, if the lobby counts as a floor. So if it does not count, then the counting seem to be right and the first floor is the one hanging down from the lobby ceiling.

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I think this makes more sense as naming them M floors with the same number.

Can someone verify this?


But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.
Of course they are skipping floors on the lower half of the tower. Many buildings do this, but most don't have a podium like the WTC does.

Floor 20 starts at 186' 8". That averages out to 19 office floors below with an approximate floor to ceiling height of almost 10 (9.8) feet. I wouldn't call it cheating at all since the office floors 20 and above have ceiling heights of 10 feet.

Oh, and I should say that the 9.8 feet/floor I mentioned doesn't include the floor slabs that would have to be included, so in reality they could fit about 14 floors into the bottom if the podium didn't exist. So they only lost five floors.

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Old November 20th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #11683
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Of course they are skipping floors on the lower half of the tower. Many buildings do this, but most don't have a podium like the WTC does.

Floor 20 starts at 186' 8". That averages out to 19 office floors below with an approximate floor to ceiling height of almost 10 (9.8) feet. I wouldn't call it cheating at all since the office floors 20 and above have ceiling heights of 10 feet.

Kinda weird but on the other side reasonable...Thanks man...
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Old November 20th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #11684
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Looks like the first tree planter has gone up to the south of 1WTC. Which means that I'm wrong again! The dirt all along Fulton Street probably is permanent and used as backfill to support the roadway, which is why it's being compressed with steam-rollers.
This was actually mentioned in the 4Q 2009 milestones recently listed in the 3Q 2009 report: "Complete Fulton Street Access Roadway This work consists of retaining walls, concrete wall and slab infill, permanent backfill, and a temporary paving course for the western portion of Fulton Street. Once complete, this roadway will provide access for Station Roof construction and Tower One steel staging." In other words, the backfill has been put into place to support the temporary roadway, but will be kept to support the eventual permanent roadway as well.
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But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.
They get the floor 20 number from the height of the floor. If the base were the first 200 feet or so of a normal building instead of a concrete fortress, there would be 19 standard height floors in it. The first normal floor of 1WTC would in fact be the 20th floor of such a building.
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Old November 20th, 2009, 11:50 PM   #11685
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Thanks for all the info about the floor numbering.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 12:03 AM   #11686
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Old November 21st, 2009, 12:21 AM   #11687
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The "skipping" of numbers in the lower floors isn't really unusual. Even in the original Twin Towers, you had the lobby designated as floor 1, the mezzanine above the lobby designated as floor 2, and then it skipped all the way to floor 7, which was the first level above the lobby (a mechanical floor).
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Old November 21st, 2009, 01:54 AM   #11688
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The "skipping" of numbers in the lower floors isn't really unusual. Even in the original Twin Towers, you had the lobby designated as floor 1, the mezzanine above the lobby designated as floor 2, and then it skipped all the way to floor 7, which was the first level above the lobby (a mechanical floor).
Maybe it's a New York thing: Donald Trump famously pegged his 58 story Trump tower at "68 stories", mostly for marketing purposes.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 02:26 AM   #11689
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I believe floors 7-19 are fictional.
Honestly how do you know that floors 7-19 are fictional?
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Old November 21st, 2009, 03:39 AM   #11690
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Looks like they are laying asphalt over Fulton right now.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 03:47 AM   #11691
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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:44 AM   #11692
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Honestly how do you know that floors 7-19 are fictional?
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Bu...Detail/439.php

This website details the floor usage. The PA and other entities try very hard to keep most of the intricate details of this tower secret. But this is the most widely watched development in the US right now. A lot of information is available online. A member of this forum has posted actual blueprints.

A homeless man even found the blueprints in a trashcan near the site.

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Old November 21st, 2009, 05:15 AM   #11693
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Here's a quickie picture I made.

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Old November 21st, 2009, 06:27 AM   #11694
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This website details the floor usage. The PA and other entities try very hard to keep most of the intricate details of this tower secret. But this is the most widely watched development in the US right now. A lot of information is available online. A member of this forum has posted actual blueprints.
There is a lot that is kept secret for security reasons, but the truth about floors 7-19 is not one of them. No one, from the PA or elsewhere, has claimed there are going to be floors 7-19. If the "normal" floors are 9 feet, 10 inches per floor, 9' 10" x 19 floors = 186 feet, eight inches -- the same height as your quickie picture.

The floor numbering is a conceit. What it means is that if you're on, say, the 50th floor, you're at the same altitude as the 50th floor of a normal building with ~10 foot floors.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 08:08 AM   #11695
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Looks like they are laying asphalt over Fulton right now.
yup they are paving fulton, but I pretty sure this is a temporary. After tower is done, they gonna repave it again.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 08:58 AM   #11696
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At this pace, the base will be done by the end of the year. Awesome!
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Old November 21st, 2009, 11:38 AM   #11697
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heres the webcam images


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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:04 PM   #11698
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I think you might be wrong for the upper floors.

This one is more accurate:

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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:22 PM   #11699
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Thx Tylow

I was just thinking about the same thing!

BTW: It looks like they added core steel on the west side! They have nearly caught up now.

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Old November 21st, 2009, 05:38 PM   #11700
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