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Old May 31st, 2010, 11:34 AM   #14501
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Since you called me ignorant you are obligged to answer me. What reason that would be? Redesigning structure? What, some engineer in the midle of construction said "no, whait, guys, it won't work" ? please, the stage of desiging is past. What it is now is chain of actions they have to do. So, please since I am so ignorant tell me, you can pour conrete better? Or install beams better? No you don't, all you can do i is do it faster or slower. And if they predict they can do it faster, that means it is posible. But someone faild, and that is all about it, regardles of the reason. And if you will still insist, they have some unexpected, independent from them, obstalces then ask Zen, I'm sure he knows best.
Engineers make mistakes. Good engineers own up to them and admit that they made them before it is too late to fix them. There have been hundreds and hundreds of projects that have been delayed due to found engineering faults, and there have been hundreds of buildings/structures that have failed due to engineering faults. Finding a ****up doesn't necessarily mean starting all over again in design. Some mistakes, take the fault that caused the collapse of the walkways in the Kansas City Hyatt as an example, can be fixed with some minor changes in design late in the construction phase. Another prime example would be the XL center, which faced a roof collapse due to miscalculated snow load capacities (roof was redesigned after the collapse, and the arena re-opened).

I'm certain that a project of this scale has a fault or two in the design. Maybe they found one, major or minor, and that could be what is causing a delay.

Anyway, tremendous progress in my eyes. Can't wait to see the cladding and the blast wall towards the end of the year.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 12:48 PM   #14502
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And thats perfectly normal. Someone made mistake, and they are trying to fix it But its not like its normal procedure to make the tower better. At least you seems to understand

As for me, eot

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Old May 31st, 2010, 06:05 PM   #14503
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I hope that actually doesn't happen. fast doesn't mean better quality of construction, and with this tower, quality is the primary objective, not speed. This skyscraper is, as of today, the strongest skyscraper ever engineered with this kind of structure (that is, we do not take into consideration with this statement buildings built with a completely different structure like the ESB, for example). A reinforced concrete core with steel structure and frame , and glass cladding is the method taken into consideration (since it is the main engineering schema used today). And the OWTC is the best example of this. Ever. So, may they take all the time that is needed, as long as they build it correctly.
You may be right in principle, but more time does not mean automatically more quality.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 06:59 PM   #14504
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Thank you fro the updates for this gorgeous tower. I just love it!
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Old June 1st, 2010, 03:16 AM   #14505
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Are the structure above grade level being built the buildings in the rendering??



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Old June 1st, 2010, 06:22 AM   #14506
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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:17 AM   #14507
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Wow,New York's project majestic !
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Old June 1st, 2010, 10:12 AM   #14508
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Can people PLEASE STOP ARGUING about some meaningless bull**** ?!?!?
I really don't care if some guy is polish or not, I just wanna see some contruction updates!!!!
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Old June 1st, 2010, 06:27 PM   #14509
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Old June 1st, 2010, 06:39 PM   #14510
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I asked a Few PAPD officers when it was going to be completed and they said 2018-2025? Given how long its taken to get to this point and would say there right. .......sigh......This project shows how bad bureaucracy is hurting other country.

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Old June 1st, 2010, 07:12 PM   #14511
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I am going to laugh so ******* hard when this building is completed on schedule, TTII never see the light of day, and the new WTC becomes a global icon.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 07:32 PM   #14512
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Let's get real people, everyone knows the construction is going slow. The Freedom Tower is probably the slowest building project in the world but how many times can we mention it you know. The Freedom Tower is only a difficult building because of the concrete core. If it was just an all Steel building it wouldn't take long to erect steel considering Freedom Tower is only using 50,000 Tons of steel. As you can see nothing compared to the total amount used in the Twin Towers of about 200,000 - 250,000 Tons of steel. Obviously if we had more construction workers this project would move much faster but we don't. I'm just satisfied we're getting something there. Complaining about the speed is not going to get this project to move along faster.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:06 PM   #14513
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I asked a Few PAPD officers when it was going to be completed and they said 2018-2025? Given how long its taken to get to this point and would say there right. .......sigh......This project shows how bad bureaucracy is hurting other country.
He might have meant the complex like tower 2 and 3
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Old June 1st, 2010, 08:50 PM   #14514
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The whole site is going to be a construction zone for much of this decade.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:29 PM   #14515
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PS:nice pics !
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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:39 PM   #14516
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Who cares how slow or not it is? Look at the size of the beast, its amazing!
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Old June 1st, 2010, 11:30 PM   #14517
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Who cares how slow or not it is? Look at the size of the beast, its amazing!
I agree, I don't care how long they take to build it as long as they build it
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 12:43 AM   #14518
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Last few pages have been disgusting. Grow up and enjoy the ride, people.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 12:47 AM   #14519
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this tower will be compelted 2013. the rest by 2020ish.
damn now mesh hides the steel levels.still lev26?
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 03:22 AM   #14520
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Are the structure above grade level being built the buildings in the rendering??



Will be nice to see the west side of the site as well as the highway all complete, with the road being straight not looking like some sorta snake. Soon as the west side of the site is complete, it is going to add some real sense of progression on the new wtc site.
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