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Old August 4th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #15261
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Is it possible? I saw a truck down at the tower...New steel?

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Old August 4th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #15262
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The plan of building a mosque near Ground Zero to succeed



A committee of the city of New York, charged with the preservation of heritage, raised on Tuesday, August 2nd a major obstacle to the building of a controversial mosque in some steps of the site where were the twin towers destroyed by the assassination attempts of September 11th, 2001. Read continuation the article

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The committee decided unanimously to withdraw the building from the list of ancient monuments of 45-47, Park place, near Ground Zero, where the mosque must be constructed. The building dating of 1850 doesn't shelter any more from now on than a shop of clothes in abandonment. 'The committee voted by nine zero votes against to withdraw the building' of the list, declared his president, Robert Tierney.

Nine members of the committee explained alternately the reason of their choice, what gave rise to applauses in the room while another part of the public shouted: 'Shame '. A classification would have prevented the demolition of the building and thereabouts the building of the mosque and of an Islamic centre, very controversial plan. The building of this mosque had been approved in May by the town council of New York.

Besides the mosque, the future complex must shelter sports fields, theatre, restaurants and potentially day nursery. The supporters of plan support that the 'Home Cordoba' will help to overcome the negative stereotypes the Muslim community of the city of which continues suffering since attacks against the sky-scrapers of the World Trade Center, that had made about 3 000 dead.

The opponents support that to construct a mosque if near Ground Zero is an insult in memory of victims. The plan, which has the support of the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, is notably reported vigorously by the republican ex-candidate for vice-presidency, Sarah Palin.


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Old August 4th, 2010, 02:15 AM   #15263
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Has nothing to do with this building.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 03:16 AM   #15264
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It is related to this building, but still completely irrelevant. Who cares if Muslims want to build a mosque downtown. 9/11 was an attack by radicalized muslims who had been brainwashed by a perversion of islam. I have no problem with the muslim community in general, many of whom died on 9/11. Besides, it's not being built on Ground Zero, it's not even being built adjacent to Ground Zero. So what if it's NEAR Ground Zero, every single thing downtown is NEAR Ground Zero (the furthest you can possibly get from Ground Zero in any direction is like only half a mile).
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Old August 4th, 2010, 03:38 AM   #15265
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"Irrelevant" is probably an understatement. There really shouldn't even be any discusssion over whatever latest populist craze Sarah Palin tries to latch onto in her desperate attempts to gain any media attention. I shouldn't even have dignified it with this blatantly off-topic post. Fact is: There are muslims in Lower Manhattan, you better believe it. And oh my, those muslims like to pray to Allah! How dare they! Let's be shocked and outraged, because who'd have expected such a thing in one of the most diverse cities on the planet! There are muslims living in a metropolis that has people of all colours and creeds inhabiting it? Impossible!!

Friggin' hell...
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Old August 4th, 2010, 04:36 AM   #15266
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It is related to this building, but still completely irrelevant. Who cares if Muslims want to build a mosque downtown. 9/11 was an attack by radicalized muslims who had been brainwashed by a perversion of islam. I have no problem with the muslim community in general, many of whom died on 9/11. Besides, it's not being built on Ground Zero, it's not even being built adjacent to Ground Zero. So what if it's NEAR Ground Zero, every single thing downtown is NEAR Ground Zero (the furthest you can possibly get from Ground Zero in any direction is like only half a mile).

I totally agree with everything you said. Besides, maybe the radicals won't want to attack an area that is this diverse.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 05:03 AM   #15267
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^Um... You mean like how they already did?

Near as any of us can figure, the 9/11 hijackers had exactly no concern for the demographics of Lower Manhattan, just the symbolic shock value of taking down the Twin Towers.

But that's beside the point. If the zoning allows it, people can build whatever they want. It's the free exercise of religion. I have a problem with people who think it's okay to stifle freedom when it doesn't suit their personal worldview.

Which is also beside the point.

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Old August 4th, 2010, 06:43 AM   #15268
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Who cares about what religious whatever gets built "near" this site? There's a church across the street, mosque, temple, who cares, let's stick on topic to 1 WTC please.

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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:09 AM   #15269
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That how you know none of you are from NYC. You ask a pointless question like who cares. The family of the victims care and the man and women who put their lives on the line that day care. But that neither here or there. Only thing worth talking about in this thread, is this building.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:40 AM   #15270
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Old August 4th, 2010, 07:47 AM   #15271
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That would mean over 1/3 of the total office space. Great news.
NY State and the US goverment also committed to 1.2 m sf, and Vantone of China committed to 190,000 sf. Therefore, these, together with Conde's 1m sf, mean that this tower basically is full. Consequently, demand will line up soon for Foster's and Rogers' towers.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 08:21 AM   #15272
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What about conde mid town tower. I've been wonder about it. do they own that building?
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Old August 4th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #15273
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What about conde mid town tower. I've been wonder about it. do they own that building?
No, they just lease a major part of it.

The Durst Organization owns it, there are a lot of other tenants in Conde Nast Building
(Really called 4 Times Square: http://www.durst.org/properties/four_times_square.php)
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Old August 4th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #15274
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NY State and the US goverment also committed to 1.2 m sf, and Vantone of China committed to 190,000 sf. Therefore, these, together with Conde's 1m sf, mean that this tower basically is full. Consequently, demand will line up soon for Foster's and Rogers' towers.
Those government leases are not signed, so I'd be wary of counting them. If 1WTC can fill up without government leases, I'd rather see them move to Silverstein's towers.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #15275
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08/03/2010 all taken by me:













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Old August 4th, 2010, 11:50 PM   #15276
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Cranes are jumping!!!!
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Old August 5th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #15277
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Athinaios, great pics! I do really see the progress
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Old August 5th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #15278
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Those government leases are not signed, so I'd be wary of counting them. If 1WTC can fill up without government leases, I'd rather see them move to Silverstein's towers.
They're not signed, but there are firm commitments. 1 and 4 WTC were always envisioned to have state and federal tenants occupying the bulk of the towers. They will be signed, and 1 WTC will be nearly full. Therefore, demand will be great for 2 and 3 WTC.
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Old August 5th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #15279
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WFC, 7WTC and Goldman Sachs make such an awesome modern cluster by themselves already, it will be beyond awesome once 1-4WTC dominate it.
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I thought the same as you when I saw this photo.

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