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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #16461
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In the 20th floor the core is a square. It then gradually changes to an octogon. Someone mentioned that before (I guess it was Zen).
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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #16462
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In the 20th floor the core is a square. It then gradually changes to an octogon. Someone mentioned that before (I guess it was Zen).
Yeah, I know that, but I'm interested how it changes..Like floor by floor..
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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #16463
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a bit old but still delivers...

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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:38 PM   #16464
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Damn, that second pic...Amazing...Too bad Beekman is so hiden with WFC...It would be great if would be more visible from Jersey..Although, WTC 2 and 3 will hide him even more...
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Old September 26th, 2010, 04:45 PM   #16465
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That is density, when 270 meter towers are hidden from view by even taller ones.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 05:20 PM   #16466
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^ Not really taller though, even tall towers can be hidden by lower towers.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:05 PM   #16467
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the lower manhattan skyline has "flattened" at ~ 230m (!). take a look...



main towers hidden:
- woolworth building, 241m
- marine midland building, 210m


future towers to rise:
- 99 church street, 278m (on hold)
- 50 west street, 217m (on hold)
- 56 leonard street, 253m (on hold)
- 1WTC, 541m
- 2WTC, 411m
- 3WTC, 378m
- 4WTC, 297m
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:19 PM   #16468
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I know that..I guess it took so long because it was the first one...Those three should be faster...
Hope so. (I knew it had been a while, but didn't realize it was 4 1/2 months until I looked back through the thread.) I'd love to see how much rebar is placed in those corners, and how (if) it's attached to the slanted columns.

Will any of the other gaps in the base be filled with concrete too, or is it limited to the corners?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #16469
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Hope so. (I knew it had been a while, but didn't realize it was 4 1/2 months until I looked back through the thread.) I'd love to see how much rebar is placed in those corners, and how (if) it's attached to the slanted columns.

Will any of the other gaps in the base be filled with concrete too, or is it limited to the corners?
I hate to keep answering stuff for Zen, but he said that there was a stop order on that form until the concrete guys got their act together. Now that they did, they removed the forms and are doing the next one.

And as far as I know, the entire lower base (the 24 jumbo columns), bar the entrances, will be concrete. It is a blast wall, after all.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #16470
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yes it's all in concrete..Gotta make it strong as hell... Sorry for the big pic..

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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:35 PM   #16471
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DinoVabec, are those little shiny objects the hangers for the cladding that you mentioned?

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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:49 PM   #16472
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DinoVabec, are those little shiny objects the hangers for the cladding that you mentioned?
Not sure about those, because those are on the inner layer..The base has 2 layers of steel...One is this red steel we all see, that's where cladding goes, and the other one is a bit inside (~2m)..Those you pointed out are on the inner layer of steel..They have purpose, but not for cladding...

I was refering on those on top of the base..You can even see a "little" platforms for workers...

Check it out..



And here's a mockup of the facade...

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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #16473
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Does anyone know what 1WTC's official address will be?
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Old September 27th, 2010, 01:30 AM   #16474
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Old September 27th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #16475
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two ICCs from hong kong would have been ideal

The ICC tower in hong Kong times 2 would have been an ideal replacement.
With slight modifications they could've had a roof line at 1620 feet, the year Jamestown was founded, and a spire of 403 feet representing the cops and firefighters killed in the attacks, for a total of 2023 feet.


can anyone create a rendering of that?
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Old September 27th, 2010, 08:09 AM   #16476
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Why did they use steel framing instead of reinforced concrete like the shanghi tower or the Burj?
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Old September 27th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #16477
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Personally, I really appreciate what 600West218 has written about his feelings on the rebuilding effort and the designs for the Trade Center buildings, etc. It drives me nuts when people simply write crap like, "It sucks" or "I don't like it" without explaining what they don't like and backing up their argument with their thoughts/observations. I'll never hate seeing critical posts that are written with a solid argument and point of view behind them, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

Also, I didn't mind seeing 600West218's pics and even having him take a guess as to what he thought he was taking pictures of. Zen, I have a ton of respect for your posts on this site, as well as Wired. In my book, you the man and you add an incredible amount of expertise and solid, reliable information to these threads. But, "you should leave the interpretation of what the pics show to the experts"? That just really rubbed me the wrong way. He was mistaken, it was quickly corrected by others, and it was actually kind of interesting to see someone try to interpret what they were seeing, even if they were wrong. No harm done.

Another thing ... I like the idea of rebuilding bigger than what was destroyed and if all gets built (fingers and toes continually crossed) then it appears that we'll see that, at least in terms of square footage.
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Old September 27th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #16478
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Not sure about those, because those are on the inner layer..The base has 2 layers of steel...One is this red steel we all see, that's where cladding goes, and the other one is a bit inside (~2m)..Those you pointed out are on the inner layer of steel..They have purpose, but not for cladding...

I was refering on those on top of the base..You can even see a "little" platforms for workers...

Check it out..



And here's a mockup of the facade...
That just has to be for the cladding, can't be something else that is that distance apart from each other, on the outer side of the construction...

And... october is coming so...
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Old September 27th, 2010, 10:24 AM   #16479
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Hope they get as much work done before winter.

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Old September 27th, 2010, 11:22 AM   #16480
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The ICC tower in hong Kong times 2 would have been an ideal replacement.
With slight modifications they could've had a roof line at 1620 feet, the year Jamestown was founded, and a spire of 403 feet representing the cops and firefighters killed in the attacks, for a total of 2023 feet.


can anyone create a rendering of that?
well....went on ms paint for 30min to do this and i was lazy to think of my own spire so...heres how it would look

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