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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:37 PM   #18421
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That was me, and yup, just as wavy (all glass panels at certain angles/distances will have distortions in their reflections, I don't see what is so hard to get). But I can post in another time since it doesn't look like some people get it...
Back up your "JUST AS WAVY" statement.

It was also said many pages back that we agree with you "all glass panels at certain angles/distances will have distortions in their reflections"

Some are better than others. The manufacturer of the Shard glass is better at it. It's not an insult to say we expect the same high standard at 1WTC.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:41 PM   #18422
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Want more? That is Guys Hospital in the relfection (fifth and sixth picture down). No telephoto lens!


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4768
Good examples....btw, no one is trying dis 1WTC. Just can't understand why page after page it's practically the same comment: 'the glass is awesome', 'definely as good as the shards', 'best shit since sliced bread' etc.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:44 PM   #18423
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Same reason: when you look at the pictures just reflecting a grey sky, it looks flawless. They must skip over the ones reflecting objects, or believe they would be foolish enough to cover a supertall with plastic film (never been done) How labor intensive would it be to remove all the plastic!
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:58 PM   #18424
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You guys cant compare the two buildings, the windows are different sizes, and the wtc is massive compared to the shard just look at the diagrams

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7788 <-- WTC

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=2611 <-- shard

the wtc could litterally eat the shard
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:17 PM   #18425
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I guess if you're a SIZE queen....

But, that wasn't the point of the debate.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:20 PM   #18426
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Yes, for the 68th time, we all get it; the Shard is obviously superior and we are foolish to think that the WTC can even come close. I would like to apologize on behalf of all the people in this thread who think the glass on 1WTC looks amazing or better than that of other towers; clearly they are too delusional too understand how much better the Shard's glass looks. Its not only a disgrace that 1WTC's glass is wholly inferior, but also that everyone is too incompetent to see that the Shard's glass is the closest thing to perfection in the universe.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:21 PM   #18427
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Thank you. That settles the debate!
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:27 PM   #18428
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the wtc could litterally eat the shard
The strong drink gets served in small glasses
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:31 PM   #18429
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December 21, 2010 New York City Boy :)

SO I finally took a walk to the construction site.....

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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:36 PM   #18430
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Yes, for the 68th time, we all get it; the Shard is obviously superior and we are foolish to think that the WTC can even come close. I would like to apologize on behalf of all the people in this thread who think the glass on 1WTC looks amazing or better than that of other towers; clearly they are too delusional too understand how much better the Shard's glass looks. Its not only a disgrace that 1WTC's glass is wholly inferior, but also that everyone is too incompetent to see that the Shard's glass is the closest thing to perfection in the universe.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:36 PM   #18431
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Look, the Shard's glass is about 11ft 8in by 2ft 8in. 1WTC glass is 13ft 4in by 4ft 0in. Larger glass panels are going to be slightly wavier. Also, the Shard stands alone with no nearby buildings to be reflected in it's glass. The "perfect" glass is nothing more than an illusion to untrained eyes.

The inferiority complex being displayed by Shard fans is getting to ridiculous levels. Drop it already.


Back to the subject at hand. Perhaps I missed it, but I'm surprised that so far I haven't seen a photo here that caught the facade crew in the act of installing one of these glass panels.

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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:40 PM   #18432
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Back up your "JUST AS WAVY" statement.

It was also said many pages back that we agree with you "all glass panels at certain angles/distances will have distortions in their reflections"

Some are better than others. The manufacturer of the Shard glass is better at it. It's not an insult to say we expect the same high standard at 1WTC.
Here it is


http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5281276128/

Where it looks cheaper than the glass they used at a train station near where I live.

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Some are better than others. The manufacturer of the Shard glass is better at it
Now you back that up. Give me something, like the difference between the producers of specs like glass density, degree of crystallization and densification of the glass (used to determine the QUALITY of the glass). Every glass responds to the same tests to determine its characteristics, so it's no mission impossible to compare it.

Because if we did agree that

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we agree with you "all glass panels at certain angles/distances will have distortions in their reflections"
and there are pictures to prove that (like the one I've posted), then the statement " The manufacturer of the Shard glass is better at it " has no argument to support it, unless of course you post here data that says otherwise. Simple logic really.

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Old December 21st, 2010, 11:32 PM   #18433
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Here it is


http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5281276128/

Where it looks cheaper than the glass they used at a train station near where I live.



Now you back that up. Give me something, like the difference between the producers of specs like glass density, degree of crystallization and densification of the glass (used to determine the QUALITY of the glass). Every glass responds to the same tests to determine its characteristics, so it's no mission impossible to compare it.

Because if we did agree that



and there are pictures to prove that (like the one I've posted), then the statement " The manufacturer of the Shard glass is better at it " has no argument to support it, unless of course you post here data that says otherwise. Simple logic really.
Thank you for this. At least an attempt at a "formal" analysis of the quality of the cladding on this building. I knew that by asking this question I'd be accused of having an inferiority complex and a small *****; alas, my technical backround isn't too strong, so I decided to brave the criticism.

FYI, I found this to be interesting (but still limiting) on WNY:

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Old December 21st, 2010, 11:43 PM   #18434
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Speaking in terms of a neutral third party (neither European or American)I think 1WTC has the best clading. The glass and stainless steel look very very very good together.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 11:56 PM   #18435
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Thank you for this. At least an attempt at a "formal" analysis of the quality of the cladding on this building. I knew that by asking this question I'd be accused of having an inferiority complex and a small *****; alas, my technical backround isn't too strong, so I decided to brave the criticism.

FYI, I found this to be interesting (but still limiting) on WNY:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4344/91403381.png
I'm sorry for the "small *****" "inferiority complex" comments, an objective, mature discussion is hard sometimes for some people (I'm 22, so I doubt age is a great factor when it comes to this).

Thank you for the technical info, although it is talking in general, without a comparison between the two glass products. I actually know what they are talking about just because I just finished a Material Science Engineering class (my final was 2 days ago so still fresh in the brain) reason why I actually understand most of the info.

But, to sum it up, there is "waviness" in both glasses as the pictures previously posted have shown, and we have seen that this effect is seen depending on angle/lens/light/reflections.

But as far as quality of the glass goes, nobody has presented any data that can support "this is better than that" statement. Hopefully someone will find that kind of info and post it (I can try to look, but don't feel too motivated right now). Until then, those kind of comments are laughable.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 12:41 AM   #18436
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All this is out of toppic, tower vs. tower, glass vs. glass..You're like little kids who fight who's dad is better..

TowersNYC, thanks for this update, it's great..
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 12:43 AM   #18437
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Until then, those kind of comments are laughable.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 01:03 AM   #18438
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great looking building, but,

how come are they not cladding one part of the skyscraper, to the left of one of the elevators, but doing the rest?

just wondering
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 01:22 AM   #18439
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All this is out of toppic, tower vs. tower, glass vs. glass..You're like little kids who fight who's dad is better..
I'm just tired of seeing this cheesy childish argument going on week after week after week, every time I check in on this thread.

Ragardless of which side of the argument you're on, the entire debate is, in and of itself, retarded.

Why these people can't just come here to enjoy the construction photos of these two great buildings, and make respectful comments concerning each building in that building's thread, completely baffles me.

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Old December 22nd, 2010, 01:23 AM   #18440
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All this is out of toppic, tower vs. tower, glass vs. glass..You're like little kids who fight who's dad is better..

TowersNYC, thanks for this update, it's great..
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