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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:14 AM   #1881
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how sad how this site had become a side freak show!!!!!burning tower, dying men...and these fools posing for a snapshot!!!
Stupid tourists on that picture!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:24 AM   #1882
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Oh please. What are they meant to do? Run around screaming and creating mass panic over something they have no control over?
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Old August 21st, 2007, 05:23 PM   #1883
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Oh please. What are they meant to do? Run around screaming and creating mass panic over something they have no control over?
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:09 PM   #1884
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havent read back into the thread but why did the height go from 1776 to 1775?
I hope not!!
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:22 PM   #1885
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Still, the fact that the "Ground Zero" site has become a tourist trap is despicable to me. I mean, walk down Chambers and you'll find 20 vendors selling cheap light-up photos of the WTC.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 06:22 PM   #1886
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How about show some RESPECT???
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Old August 21st, 2007, 09:57 PM   #1887
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:28 PM   #1888
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do you honestly want wtc to be for grieving and mourning???? now you're sounding like one of those families who want it to be a big graveyard. what's happened has already happened............6 years ago. stop hanging on to the past. there will be a memorial and you can do all your pouting there.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:38 PM   #1889
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:47 PM   #1890
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I for one say no, only because i don't like the look of the freedom tower. I mean i love New York, when i went last year it was the best vacation i ever took. I think the thing is at the moment it doesn't match a lot of its surroundings, especially with a lot of the High rises in New York being older concrete ones.
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Old August 21st, 2007, 10:50 PM   #1891
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How am I not showing respect? The vendors profiting from 9/11 are the ones with no respect, not me.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 01:09 AM   #1892
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How am I not showing respect? The vendors profiting from 9/11 are the ones with no respect, not me.
The comment was meant for the post above you ...not you...
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 03:25 AM   #1893
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Ha, my bad.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 03:38 AM   #1894
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I believe the NYPD should be allowed to shoot those vendors on sight. And i also believe if your wearing a turban at the airport your gonna have the special search, like britan does.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 03:49 AM   #1895
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do you honestly want wtc to be for grieving and mourning???? now you're sounding like one of those families who want it to be a big graveyard. what's happened has already happened............6 years ago. stop hanging on to the past. there will be a memorial and you can do all your pouting there.
Wow...could you be more of an a-hole...that should be an area of respect.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 07:07 AM   #1896
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Wow...could you be more of an a-hole...that should be an area of respect.
No I agree with philvia, the WTC is a center for BUSINESS and TRADE. It's sad what happened there but you can't mourn forever. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. I did wish for the original towers to be rebuilt but just because some terrorists(conspiracy theorists say who really knows...our U.S. Government?) ****ed the place up doesn't mean we shouldn't build it back up.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 02:19 PM   #1897
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No I agree with philvia, the WTC is a center for BUSINESS and TRADE. It's sad what happened there but you can't mourn forever. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. I did wish for the original towers to be rebuilt but just because some terrorists(conspiracy theorists say who really knows...our U.S. Government?) ****ed the place up doesn't mean we shouldn't build it back up.
I agree with you 100%. You should build something there to show the world that we are stronger and better than before, but having people sell crap next to the site in reference to the towers is disrespectful.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM   #1898
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 09:37 PM   #1899
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Did they rebuilt the Tower of Babel? Building the WTC exactly as it was would be like neglecting that anything wrong ever happened. Hey, 3,000 people were killed, but lets just remake the tower to exactly how it was. No, that is wrong.
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 10:57 PM   #1900
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222007...alted_agai.htm
WTC, PAST & FUTURE: HALTED AGAIN?


Fatal: The Deutsche Bank building burns last weekend.

August 22, 2007 -- NEW Yorkers who care passionately about the future of the World Trade Center site - those who understand that Downtown's fate still depends on that, despite the area's current boom - can only pray for a swift resumption of work at 130 Liberty St., where two firefighters lost their lives last weekend.

More of Ground Zero's rebirth than first seems apparent depends on the complete demolition of the old Deutsche Bank tower. Common sense, however, suggests that it might be a long time - not just a few days or even weeks - before the takedown of the tragic, contaminated hulk can resume.

If the delay drags on, there's no telling how badly it might derail the reclamation of a site that has taken six years to gain traction.

The importance of the Liberty Street demolition was explained in detail by The New York Times' David W. Dunlap last winter. For starters, the site must be cleared before the LMDC can turn it over to the Port Authority, which will then hand it over to JP Morgan Chase to start work on its planned new headquarters tower there.

The PA technically has until mid-2009 to turn the land over to the bank - but that's based on an option to extend a more desirable deadline of mid-2008. Who can say how JP Morgan's confidence in the deal might be jarred by a year's delay?

The Deutsche site, as Dunlap explained, is also intricately linked to conditions on the north side of Liberty Street in Ground Zero itself. In a nutshell, the PA can't fulfill its commitment to construct new underground infrastructure there without first having access to the earth beneath 130 Liberty St., because the two sites are connected by sewer pipes.

Without being able to dig under 130 Liberty St. and moving the pipes, the PA can't create a new "bathtub" along Ground Zero's south side. Without the bathtub, it can't build an underground vehicle security center there.

And without the vehicular facility, Dunlap pointed out, it can't provide the truck access Larry Silverstein will need to complete the interiors of Towers 3 and 4 - the first two of three office buildings he is to develop in Ground Zero, and on which he is to start work immediately after Jan. 1.

In fact, a downtown rebuilding official ominously told me yesterday, "Not having the vehicle security center will negatively affect everything - not just Silverstein's buildings, but also the Freedom Tower, the Memorial and the new PATH terminal."

PA officials say the delay at 130 Liberty St. won't affect its construction of a new east bathtub wall, which it's obliged to finish by Dec. 31; assuming they're right, Silverstein can at least start on Towers 3 and 4 on time.

But - and here's the scary part - the PA must also finish the south bathtub by the fourth quarter of 2010, according to agency spokesman John McCarthy. A prolonged delay in completing the removal of 130 Liberty St. - which seems highly likely, given the time it will surely take to learn what went wrong and to implement new safety procedures - can easily push the south bathtub job back.

That looming possibility can throw monkey wrenches into the whole process.

Both the PA and Silverstein are contractually bound to meet various deadlines, and must pay heavy fines if they fail to meet them. But what if circumstances make meeting those deadlines impossible?

Why, for example, should the PA be penalized for not completing the south bathtub on time if it's physically impossible to do that because 130 Liberty St. hasn't been fully cleared yet?

Why should Silverstein start construction on a giant tower without assurance that he'll be able to finish it?

A well-informed downtown source says Silverstein could, in theory, complete Towers 3 and 4 by letting trucks in through Church Street. But that limited access would be insufficient to allow tenants to build out their new floors or move in.

Why should tenants sign leases when they can't be sure when they can claim their space?

These questions, assuming a worst-case chain of events, might sound paranoid. But Ground Zero's tortured history makes paranoia justified. Let us hope all parties find a way not to let 130 Liberty St. become any more permanent than it already seems.

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