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Old January 19th, 2011, 06:57 AM   #19101
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good work, but you should build something taller. you americans need to take your crown back!
No we don't.
WTB's aren't economical. We're not trying to show off.
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So what's the deal with the lack of cladding on this side? Anyone know?
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Well, let's take a look: the now reclad Tour AXA in Paris is, you guessed it, a blue curtain wall. The World Trade Center: blue curtain wall. Carnegie 57: blue curtain wall. The Shard: blue curtain wall. Hong Kong IFC: blue curtain wall. BoA Tower: blue curtain wall. Comcast Center: blue curtain wall. There's this strange fetish almost with light blue glass in modern skyscrapers. At least the other Verizon building was reclad in green, something more interesting and standout than sky freaking blue.

Just because there were very few good skyscrapers designed in the 60s and 70s doesn't mean we should reclad them all to make them look "better." I believe they wanted to reclad Sears Tower recently, reclad it silver of all things.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 08:44 AM   #19102
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No we don't.
WTB's aren't economical. We're not trying to show off.

So what's the deal with the lack of cladding on this side? Anyone?
My guess is it will start once that crane comes done on the NW side of the building.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:33 AM   #19103
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I disagree. The 60s and 70s were a disgraceful period in skyscraper history. Nothing good came out of that era...
I disagree. For one thing, John Hancock did a heck of a job in both Chicago and Boston. The JHT Boston remains possibly the most perfect glass "box" in the world.

Some other iconic towers I can think of off the top of my head from 60's/70's include Transamerica Pyramid in San Fran, Willis in Chicago, Federal Reserve and Prudential in Boston (these are love/hate towers, which I happen to love), Citigroup in NYC, Westin Peachtree in Atlanta, Aon in LA, Lakepoint Tower Chicago, Tour de la Bourse (similar to Aon) in Montreal... do I need to go on?

I might agree with you if you changed your statement to something like... 80-90% of towers built in the 60's and 70's are crap. Well, actually, I still probably wouldn't, but at least it's a more reasonable statement.

And to say something about WTC... I can't wait to see it start separating itself from the plateau come springtime!
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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:09 PM   #19104
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No we don't.
WTB's aren't economical. We're not trying to show off.

So what's the deal with the lack of cladding on this side? Anyone know?

Couldn't agree more.
Probably because of the crane, stairs, platforms for material...This side is way more active than others..
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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:46 PM   #19105
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I believe they wanted to reclad Sears Tower recently, reclad it silver of all things.

You mean Willis Tower.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 02:35 PM   #19106
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a lot of progress since the past few months when I last checked up on it.

The building does look thinner than I expected though
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Old January 19th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #19107
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Anyone know what kind of structural redundancies there are? I just tend to notice how the cross bracing ends before the glass, and it leads to wonder about the rest of the building.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:02 PM   #19108
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I know it was asked many times now but at which height is the observation deck located? Some sites say 415 m, others 400, and others 378...I'm confused!
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:19 PM   #19109
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An admin should turn the first post into a FAQ to reduce all of the questions people have
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #19110
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No we don't.
WTB's aren't economical. We're not trying to show off.

yeah wtf? Once a building is over 1500 ft tall it takes minutes to get around inside it and they are becoming more and more of a target to terrorist attacks. Think about how easily some tall buildings around the world could be blown up...shotty construction and designs that have obvious flaws in terms of a minor explosion destroying an entire Skyscraper. like CCTY headquarters china. one little pack of C4 high explosives on the lower corner would make the entire building fall down.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:55 PM   #19111
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Construction should speed up here soon. Each floor is getting smaller
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Old January 19th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #19112
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^On the other hand, the higher you go, the longer it takes to bring up materials.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 08:43 PM   #19113
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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #19114
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Sounds realistic, but i have a doubt that the floors get smaller the higher you get.
The One World Trade Center isn`t like the Shard
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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:36 PM   #19115
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on this photo, looks like there's a protective plastic covering on the glass curtain..notice the portions where the plastic coverings are wrinkled or peeling off...
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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:37 PM   #19116
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Well, let's take a look: the now reclad Tour AXA in Paris is, you guessed it, a blue curtain wall. The World Trade Center: blue curtain wall. Carnegie 57: blue curtain wall. The Shard: blue curtain wall. Hong Kong IFC: blue curtain wall. BoA Tower: blue curtain wall. Comcast Center: blue curtain wall. There's this strange fetish almost with light blue glass in modern skyscrapers. At least the other Verizon building was reclad in green, something more interesting and standout than sky freaking blue.

Just because there were very few good skyscrapers designed in the 60s and 70s doesn't mean we should reclad them all to make them look "better." I believe they wanted to reclad Sears Tower recently, reclad it silver of all things.
but still there are several buildings now adays that aren't blue glass curtain wall you could compile a long list of those buildings aswell, but i agree some towers do look better with a nice new reclad but some like the Willis tower are iconic and some don't even look that bad. but this is about the new WTC so lets talk about that instead
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Old January 19th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #19117
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Sounds realistic, but i have a doubt that the floors get smaller the higher you get.
The One World Trade Center isn`t like the Shard
Wrong. The floors are infact getting smaller and smaller as the tower rises. Do remember that the top floor is a square inscribed in the base's square floor plan.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:25 PM   #19118
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Sounds realistic, but i have a doubt that the floors get smaller the higher you get.
The One World Trade Center isn`t like the Shard
To add to what the above poster just said, the base is 200 by 200 feet across. The roof is (IIRC) 147 by 147 feet
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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #19119
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The floors do get smaller, but they're still not really that small, 147 by 147 feet is pretty big.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 12:52 AM   #19120
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My guess is it will start once that crane comes done on the NW side of the building.
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Probably because of the crane, stairs, platforms for material...This side is way more active than others..
That makes sense. Thanks guys.
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