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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:06 AM   #19421
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I thought you were on scale until I got into the exact same place that picture was taken on Google Earth... It's incredible that even the Beekman is closer, 1WTC still looks higher.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:26 AM   #19422
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Old January 31st, 2011, 06:06 AM   #19423
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I am curious as to why there are no skyscrapers in between lower Manhattan and midtown, or, above Central Park going north. Is it simply economics of different neighborhoods, or, is the bedrock in different areas of Manhattan Island less suitable for supporting skyscrapers?

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That is an interesting question that much has been written about.

First, you have to realize that downtown, or lower Manhattan, is a business and commercial district. The same is true for midtown Manhattan. Downtown has Wall Street, the Financial District, the stock exchanges (not just the NYSE, but the American exchange, the commodities exchanges, etc.). Midtown is where the advertising industry (Madison Ave.), the fashion industry, the media and broadcast industry (Rockefeller Center, etc.).

In between downtown and midtown are neighborhoods like Greenwich Village, Little Italy, Tribeca, Chinatown, Soho, Chelsea and the East Village. These are primarily residential, restaurant, and night life districts ... so there is no need for skyscrapers in those neighborhoods.

Secondly, the solid bedrock that makes skyscraper building so much easier in Manhattan than most places comes closest to the surface precisely where the skyscrapers are clustered: in lower Manhattan and in midtown, and in some parts of upper Manhattan as well.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 06:26 AM   #19424
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I know this has little to do with the building itself, but I will be in NYC at the end of February and I was hoping a local or two could give me a quick weather prediction? Excited to see this in the flesh.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 07:25 AM   #19425
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I know this has little to do with the building itself, but I will be in NYC at the end of February and I was hoping a local or two could give me a quick weather prediction? Excited to see this in the flesh.
Ok snow out the ass.

Remember when tower 1 seem like it had two cores. We use to talk about it all the time.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 01:27 PM   #19426
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I thought you were on scale until I got into the exact same place that picture was taken on Google Earth... It's incredible that even the Beekman is closer, 1WTC still looks higher.
This doesn't seem accurate. It is over halfway to the roof at this point but the render assumes a more than doubling of the current height.

Do we know the source and size of the model? It isnt the right shape either so it wouldn't be surprising if the scale was wrong as well. Or perhaps the perspective isn't from ground level. Note how all of the foreground objects appear shorter than in the photo. This suggests that it is from a higher vantage point.

The hand drawn comparison seems more accurate in terms of height. Though the top will be narrower from this angle given how the top floor is half the square footage of the first floor.


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I did a rough paint job with the last picture how WTC1 will look like in the skyline when seen from the vantage point.



If i'm on scale, than it won't have a very big impact on the skyline.

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Old January 31st, 2011, 02:22 PM   #19427
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Dude, you're dealing with the National September 11 Memorial and Musem model.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 03:37 PM   #19428
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I am curious as to why there are no skyscrapers in between lower Manhattan and midtown, or, above Central Park going north. Is it simply economics of different neighborhoods, or, is the bedrock in different areas of Manhattan Island less suitable for supporting skyscrapers?

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The latter is the reason and not because people don't want them there as someone earlier suggested (sshezzz!). Where you find skyscrapers, the bedrock is closer to the surface.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 05:07 PM   #19429
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This doesn't seem accurate. It is over halfway to the roof at this point but the render assumes a more than doubling of the current height.

Do we know the source and size of the model? It isnt the right shape either so it wouldn't be surprising if the scale was wrong as well. Or perhaps the perspective isn't from ground level. Note how all of the foreground objects appear shorter than in the photo. This suggests that it is from a higher vantage point.

The hand drawn comparison seems more accurate in terms of height. Though the top will be narrower from this angle given how the top floor is half the square footage of the first floor.
The shape looks funny because from that angle 2WTC is covering most of 1WTC.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 06:51 PM   #19430
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That is an interesting question that much has been written about.

First, you have to realize that downtown, or lower Manhattan, is a business and commercial district. The same is true for midtown Manhattan. Downtown has Wall Street, the Financial District, the stock exchanges (not just the NYSE, but the American exchange, the commodities exchanges, etc.). Midtown is where the advertising industry (Madison Ave.), the fashion industry, the media and broadcast industry (Rockefeller Center, etc.).

In between downtown and midtown are neighborhoods like Greenwich Village, Little Italy, Tribeca, Chinatown, Soho, Chelsea and the East Village. These are primarily residential, restaurant, and night life districts ... so there is no need for skyscrapers in those neighborhoods.

Secondly, the solid bedrock that makes skyscraper building so much easier in Manhattan than most places comes closest to the surface precisely where the skyscrapers are clustered: in lower Manhattan and in midtown, and in some parts of upper Manhattan as well.
A lot of the neighborhoods you mentioned aren't zoned for skyscrapers, meaning you can't build higher than a certain amount of feet, and there are large areas of Manhattan in between Midtown and Lower Manhattan that are historical neighborhoods so you can't tear a building down or even dramatically alter the building, and even if you do find an empty lot within those neighborhoods, which isn't likely, you again have the zoning restrictions.

There is also the mass transportations hubs. Midtown has Penn Station and Grand Central, probably two of the countries busiest rail stations, and Lower Manhattan like you said is just closer to the exchanges, and historically has been the skyscraper hub of the city and a center of business and commerce. In between the two areas there aren't any major transportation hubs either, so. Interesting question, sorry for going off topic a bit.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 08:10 PM   #19431
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It's all about perspective. If you move to the other promenade on the southern end of the Brooklyn Bridge it looks shorter.

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Old January 31st, 2011, 08:28 PM   #19432
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A lot of the neighborhoods you mentioned aren't zoned for skyscrapers, meaning you can't build higher than a certain amount of feet, and there are large areas of Manhattan in between Midtown and Lower Manhattan that are historical neighborhoods so you can't tear a building down or even dramatically alter the building, and even if you do find an empty lot within those neighborhoods, which isn't likely, you again have the zoning restrictions.

There is also the mass transportations hubs. Midtown has Penn Station and Grand Central, probably two of the countries busiest rail stations, and Lower Manhattan like you said is just closer to the exchanges, and historically has been the skyscraper hub of the city and a center of business and commerce. In between the two areas there aren't any major transportation hubs either, so. Interesting question, sorry for going off topic a bit.
Zoning restrictions only came after when they figured out the layer pattern of the bedrock (Manhattan Schist) underneath Manhattan therefore it's not the primary reason. Manhattan schist is found at various depths — from 18 feet below the surface in Times Square to 260 feet below in Greenwich Village. Where bedrock is far below the surface, skyscrapers are not practical because it is too difficult to reach the schist that provides structural stability and support. Consequently, there are few tall buildings in Greenwich Village, but skyscrapers stand in dense clusters in midtown and lower Manhattan where schist lies close to the surface. And since Manhattan is so dense, the skyline actually reflects the depth of the schist formation. New York City reaches its towering heights because of this strong foundation.

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Old February 1st, 2011, 12:12 AM   #19433
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The latter is the reason and not because people don't want them there as someone earlier suggested (sshezzz!). Where you find skyscrapers, the bedrock is closer to the surface.
Has nothing to do with bedrock. If they can build skyscrapers in Queens and Brooklyn, they can build them anywhere on Manhattan. People live in those areas, it's for that same reason there's no skyscraper in Harlem.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 12:16 AM   #19434
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Has nothing to do with bedrock. If they can build skyscrapers in Queens and Brooklyn, they can build them anywhere on Manhattan. People live in those areas, it's for that same reason there's no skyscraper in Harlem.
You can build skyscrapers everywhere now, but not a 100 years ago. The bedrock was stronger in midtown and lower manhattan, therefore they built skyscrapers there when there wasn't the technology to build in other places. Therefore you got the commercial districts and the residential districts. And those districts are still the same today. Therefore you get skyscrapers in midtown and lower manhattan.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 12:26 AM   #19435
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You can build skyscrapers everywhere now, but not a 100 years ago. The bedrock was stronger in midtown and lower manhattan, therefore they built skyscrapers there when there wasn't the technology to build in other places. Therefore you got the commercial districts and the residential districts. And those districts are still the same today. Therefore you get skyscrapers in midtown and lower manhattan.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 02:56 AM   #19436
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Old February 1st, 2011, 03:06 AM   #19437
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Old February 1st, 2011, 03:54 AM   #19438
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I predict the american economy will be growing very strongly around that time when all of these are finished, they will not be vacant for long. Our GDP will probably rising by about 3.5 - 4.8 % annually.
Frankly, that's plain bullshit.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 04:01 AM   #19439
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tomorrow more snow will rush into New York ! crazy winter here
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