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Old November 7th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #241
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i like this latest render much better
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Old November 7th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #242
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Ok I conceed from that point of view it is unavoidable it will have an impact. However, if you look at the history of Smolny it was originally intended to have a very tall bell tower, so even then height was not considered to have ill effect on the skyline. Smolny
Oh my. The bell tower of the Smolny was to be 140 meters not 400, and it was to be made in the same style of Smolny, not concrete-and-glass...
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However, this is purely from one point in the city, and does not really relate to the overall skyline. It will not effect views from the Winter Palace, or areas around this which is where most of the critisism is aimed at.
Quite obviously, it will affect the view of the city from virtually anywhere. Anywhere in the city you can walk a few dozens of meters away from the buildings and look in its direction, you'll see the tower - and that's, among others, most boulevards, big squares and most of the river banks, as well as key scenic places like Peter and Paul's Fortress. Look, I'm not questioning the design, in fact it's a great project, but if I were you, I'd wish for it to be built some more kilometers away lest people from the whole of Europe may curse the authors of the project...
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Old November 7th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #243
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that's, among others, most boulevards, big squares and most of the river banks, as well as key scenic places like Peter and Paul's Fortress.
Common now this is the misconception I am talking about- It is nearly 5km from Peter and Paul Fortress. Even if you can see it from this point it will be a tiny dot in the distance. Would it be such a bad thing anyway if you see small little spire, probably mostly hidden by haze above rooftops from this position? Considering the vast wealth of beautiful architecture that is immediately infront of your eyes?
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Old November 7th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #244
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I actually think it's a very good tower design.

However, it will in essence have an Eiffel Tower affect on the city.

As such, it needs to be better than very good, it needs to be Eiffel tower good.

Don't think they are quite there yet.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #245
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OK intresting how long this building will built in Russia
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:34 AM   #246
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Finance Chill Freezes Plans for High-Rise in Russia

By ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: November 9, 2008

MOSCOW — From the department of silver linings comes this item from Russia: because of the financial crisis, plans for a controversial skyscraper that would have towered over St. Petersburg’s low-slung Baroque skyline have been delayed and — preservationists, architects and many residents fervently hope — may never be carried out.

Joseph Sywenkyj for The New York Times

A view of central St. Petersburg, where Gazprom envisioned a 1,299-foot-tall headquarters.

The mayor of St. Petersburg has submitted an amendment to next year’s budget to cut money for the city’s first skyscraper, which was to have been financed with Gazprom, the Russian oil and gas behemoth that has itself suffered financially with the spectacular decline in energy prices.

With general revenues declining, city officials said they would instead use the money to build a soccer stadium. They did so after Gazprom reneged this fall on its pledge to finance the stadium, said Mikhail Amosov, an opposition politician and the former chairman of the city council’s planning committee.

From the start, the proposed design for the tower by the London firm RMJM drew considerable criticism, the twisting facade alternately being described as evoking a flickering gas flame or a corncob. But the principal complaint from historical preservationists was its height.

The building would soar 1,299 feet, shattering a czarist-era rule that no structure, other than a church spire, should exceed the height of the city’s centerpiece building, the former Winter Palace, now the Hermitage Museum. Before the law was changed specifically for the Gazprom project, the zoning restriction at the proposed site was 138 feet.

So contentious was the proposed height that three of four foreign architects on the selection committee resigned rather than consider any design of that sort in downtown St. Petersburg. Critics took to calling it the “Gazoskryob,” or “gas scraper.”

Critics, including Unesco and a number of prominent architects, pointed out that the site was directly across the Neva River from Smolny Cathedral, a delicate ensemble of spires and onion-dome cupolas. And they roundly panned the design itself.

“It could be a mirage, appearing over the sand,” complained Semyon I. Mikhailovsky, an architectural historian and the vice president of the St. Petersburg Academy of Fine Art. “It was unclear they needed it before, and now it is clearly unneeded.”

The skyscraper was conceived when Gazprom’s stock price was doubling yearly, and rising energy prices yielded a gusher of cash. Since its peak in May, however, Gazprom’s stock has fallen by about 70 percent.

Company officials still insist that the building will be built, and RMJM, in a statement, said it had not been notified of changes and was proceeding with its design work. A spokeswoman for the project, known as the Okhta Center, confirmed that the city was considering withdrawing the money but said the tower would be built regardless, without specifying where the additional financing might come from.

Vladimir V. Popov, president of the St. Petersburg Union of Architects, said in a telephone interview that other, shorter designs had already been drawn up for the Gazprom site, and he said he that hoped they would be dusted off now, in light of the financing woes for the skyscraper. “We don’t want the tower,” he said.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #247
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Any updates on this building ????
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Old December 18th, 2008, 02:49 AM   #248
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Where have I seen this before....
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Old December 19th, 2008, 03:15 AM   #249
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The project is almost canceled now. Saint Petersurg's government plans to take back all the money they invested into this building to equalize 30% cutted budget of 2009.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:51 AM   #250
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so this thing is almost dead to bad.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 06:14 PM   #251
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Gazprom pledges to fully fund RMJM’s St Petersburg tower

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Russian energy giant Gazprom has pledged to fund the 396m-high RMJM-designed Okhta Centre tower in St Petersburg after the city government suspended its contribution to the project.

In October 2007, the St Petersburg legislative assembly voted to commit 29.4 billion roubles (£700 million) to the scheme in 2009, financing 49% of the project.

In November 2008 Valentina Matviyenko, governor of St Petersburg, reacted to the credit crisis by amending the city’s budget and suspending funding for the Okhta Centre. (Full Story)

Gazprom, currently at the centre of an energy row between Russia and the Ukraine, will now take over the city’s share in the project.

Hugh Mullan, RMJM managing director Europe, said: “Gazprom’s commitment to the Okhta Centre project has been fantastic throughout. The RMJM team is making excellent progress on the designs for the Okhta Centre.

"It’s going to be an exciting year ahead for the project with submissions for state planning approval in the spring and the first foundations of the development hopefully being laid before the end of 2009.”

The project is due for completion in 2016 and will occupy a 77ha site on the bank of the river Neva on the eastern side of the city centre.

The tower has attracted controversy since RMJM’s design was first revealed, with opposition from local residents, and Unesco expressing concerns over the impact of the tower on St Petersburg, which is a world heritage site.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 07:36 AM   #252
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Old January 7th, 2009, 10:55 AM   #253
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read it in the newspaper 1 or 2 weeks ago, this project is far away from being dead
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Old January 8th, 2009, 06:17 PM   #254
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As I said before, this has design resembles dubai towers so much...

Any other similar things about these two projects?
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Old January 8th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #255
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dubai towers will probably never be built so who cares anyway
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Old January 21st, 2009, 12:32 AM   #256
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RMJM's Okhta Centre

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Thought you guys on here might be interested.

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Old January 21st, 2009, 12:47 AM   #257
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Wooooow! Sensational design! I like it more than Chigago's Spire, because it doesn't have so many twists IMO.... Build it!
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Old May 21st, 2009, 05:18 AM   #258
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Spectacular ! Fantastic ! I like that shape and colour...!
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Old August 15th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #259
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The most locals think it is a good idea to build this building. But there is a group that doesn't like it!

However this skyscraper is not in the middle of the historical city... you don't even see it from the heart of S-P!
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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:36 AM   #260
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"So, We give you gas and oil money and thats what you come up with!!!!!"



Actually is not bad at all. Although its another case of why 396 and not 400+. We can build a 396m tower but 400 is too much? I don't get it. What Zubkov and Miller do not like round numbers.
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