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Old October 10th, 2009, 06:54 PM   #281
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Protest over St. Petersburg Tower
October 10, 2009

About 3,000 people have rallied in St Petersburg against plans to build a huge skyscraper in Russia's former imperial capital.

Demonstrators voiced anger at the city council's decision to approve construction of the 400m (1,312 ft) Okhta Centre for the gas giant Gazprom.


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Old October 10th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #282
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[B]About 3,000 people have rallied in St Petersburg against plans to build a huge skyscraper in Russia's former imperial capital.
Demonstrators voiced anger at the city council's decision to approve construction of the 400m (1,312 ft) Okhta Centre for the gas giant Gazprom.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8300737.stm
If I was there I'd take part in the demos as well. I hope the city council will come to its senses, it's not too late.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 07:31 PM   #283
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St Petersburg is such a beautiful city and this building is amazing, but together both lose their vibe. St Petersburg is a low-rise, majestic, monumental city and while the tower is majestic and monumental, it will stick out like a sore thumb. I hope the city council reconsiders but something tells me that whatever Gazprom wants, they'll get.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #284
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Whats the point in not building skyscrapers? Paris is also a low rise city with a big highrise district. It fits well together.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #285
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Protest over St. Petersburg Tower
October 10, 2009

About 3,000 people have rallied in St Petersburg against plans to build a huge skyscraper in Russia's former imperial capital.

Demonstrators voiced anger at the city council's decision to approve construction of the 400m (1,312 ft) Okhta Centre for the gas giant Gazprom.


rest of the article here,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8300737.stm

Were is a riot police when you need it?

I hoped those skyscraperophobes will get the crap beaten out of them by OMON.

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Old October 10th, 2009, 09:07 PM   #286
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This isn't in a historic district, it's in some ugly Communist-style architectural district with what looks to be abandoned factories, which will look much better with this tower constructed. Therefore I have no problem with this tower. Just because one part of the city's historic, that doesn't mean the entire city including non-historic portions are off-limits to development.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 01:16 AM   #287
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o wow i didnt realize that building a supertall would be violent
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Old October 11th, 2009, 05:02 AM   #288
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Are there available renders of how it would look from the Historic District?
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o wow i didnt realize that building a supertall would be violent
the problem is not in the tower itself, the problem is in mid-rise part of the complex. mid-rises in new version are too tall, making the complex looks like a wall on the skyline. The tower fits well, way much better than TV tower or old large soviet commieblock-hotels.

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Are there available renders of how it would look from the Historic District?
of course there are. especially those, already posted in this thread
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Old October 11th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #290
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Were is a riot police when you need it?

I hoped those skyscraperophobes will get the crap beaten out of them by OMON.
Wouldn't surprise me, ignorance and violence always go hand in hand.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 03:09 PM   #291
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Great project! So this will be the tallest one in Europe
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Wouldn't surprise me, ignorance and violence always go hand in hand.
Yeah, it's good that you mentioned ignorance. That describes protesters very well, most of them most likely haven't even saw the project.

And they know nothing about history of their city. Peter the Great build St. Petersburg as a symbol of Russia abandoning it's history and going into a european future. He aslo build it to show off and leave a monument to himself. Damn, he even named th city after himself.

And now those fools say that building the futuristic tower is a crime in a city build as a symbol of abandoning the history in order to modernise the country. How stupid is that?
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Yeah, it's good that you mentioned ignorance. That describes protesters very well, most of them most likely haven't even saw the project. And they know nothing about history of their city.
So you polled all of them?
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Peter the Great build St. Petersburg as a symbol of Russia abandoning it's history and going into a european future.
European future, ok, but "he built St. Petersburg as a symbol of Russia abandoning its history?" My, you're ignorant
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He aslo build it to show off and leave a monument to himself. Damn, he even named th city after himself.
Yeah, he also drove a Ferrari and was a regular of "Metro" disco hall. And he went to learn shipbuilding in Saint Tropez, where he had his Rolex stolen.
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And now those fools say that building the futuristic tower is a crime in a city build as a symbol of abandoning the history in order to modernise the country. How stupid is that?
Building a tower that's totally out of scale and out of style with its surroundings is not modernization, it's just ignorance.
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European future, ok, but "he built St. Petersburg as a symbol of Russia abandoning its history?" My, you're ignorant
Return when you have learned at least something about history of Russia under tsar Peter. Only one ignorant here is you.
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Return when you have learned at least something about history of Russia under tsar Peter. Only one ignorant here is you.
I suppose you're no more than 18. Now listen, before you were born I had probably already read more about Piter and its architecture (Italian and not) than you have ever. If you wish I can give you a list of books to read. But somehow I think you're not interested.
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But somehow I think you're not interested.
I am not. If your books failed to explain to you Peter's attitude to Europe and Muscovy than those books were worthless.
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Jeez. "A symbol of Russia abandoning its history". Do you even realize how stupid and meaningless such a phrase is? By now it seems you don't. Say you wake up in the morning and you want to get rid of your own history. So what will you do? Get a facial plastic, fake documents, a new name, and move to a remote place? Kill yourself? I don't see more ways of achieving that.
Now did Peter the Great give up Russian language in favor of French or English? No he didn't, he just reformed orthography. Did he give up the Orthodox church for the Anglican, or Catholic one? No, he did not, although catholic influences made it into the Russian church. He reformed the church having people from Kiev (for those not in the know, Kiev is the very origin of Russia) come to lead it, and modify the rites, in order to take power away from Moscow boyars. Did he issue a "prikaz" ruling that Russia should be called "Eastern Europe" thereafter? No. He said "This is the Russian Empire".
Since Peter was no fool, he never went about saying he wanted to do away with "Russian history", as you pretend. To do away with Muscovy traditional powers and their habits, sure. To reform Russia profoundly, sure.

But then again, what has all of it got to do with the abortion of a 400 mt. tower directly facing centuries-old buildings? Are you implying that Gazprom is bringing about a great reformation of Russia? That Miller should be made Tsar, and let to decide what foreign architects should design the new general plan of Piter?
Frankly, the only reason why anyone could come up with such a demented project is to wound Petersburg, or at least vampirize it. Otherwise, why build the tower so close to the historic heritage? Where is the advantage? They could have it built on Moskovsky prospekt, Or Tallinskoye shosse, close to the ring road and the airport, and it would be 100 times more convenient for the Gazprom executives. But no, what they want is the tower to be visible from the downtown, and to be shown in photos and postcards on the background of Peter and Paul's fortress or St. Isaac or Smolny - and it will be VERY visible, as can easily be proven. This is also why they are not giving up, in spite of the public outrage (I believe a 3000-strong demo against a single building is a first in European history).

BTW, this is exactly the same malady (just a bit less atrocious in its symptoms) that has struck Makkah, where some crackpots swimming in oil (hmm...) built that huge carbuncle towering over the Kaaba's mosque just to make a statement and create a "luxury style of pilgrimage" in opposition to the "regular" one.
Now this is called i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e.
So this is the situation now, Petersburg's historic heritage is in the hands of Gazprom and Gamma Hamsters. This has nothing to do with Peter the Great and all to do with New Russians, Eltsin era-style.

In the article linked below you can read what educated people, like a Russian Academy of Sciences' eminent member, think of the monster:
http://observers.france24.com/en/con...rg-okhta-tower

Also take a look at what people from St. Petersburg opine on the nonsensical stick:
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20091009/156413351.html
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Just as i expected, knowledge of history close to zero, zero respect towards different opinion, hysteric bullshit instead of proper arguments, etc.

Very typical of skyscraperophobes. Well, tower is aproved, common sense prevailed.

Skyscraperophobes can go suck farm animals testicles
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According to the previous images, the Okhta Center is U/C or Prep.
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According to the previous images, the Okhta Center is U/C or Prep.
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