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Old December 10th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #421
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Heritage types won. Current project is cancelled and construction is moved to another place.

It is not even known if new project will be a skyscraper.
you know well that it was not entirely Heritage that won. it was a regular Russian style bureaucratic decision by the President or prime minister and then the governor of the city just announced the decision. Not that I regret it, but it was not that people did p,lay such a big role.
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I'll bet they'll still build a supertall. Just further out. Maybe the city will zone a special neighborhood for modern high rises, like La Defence in Paris.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:27 AM   #423
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Good for St. Petersburg.
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:45 AM   #424
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you know well that it was not entirely Heritage that won. it was a regular Russian style bureaucratic decision by the President or prime minister and then the governor of the city just announced the decision. Not that I regret it, but it was not that people did play such a big role.
Yes, but this decision was taken due to pressure of the St. Petersburg residents and Heritage workers, isn't so? Do you really believe that Russian politicans (including President, Prime Minister, Governor of St. Petersburg) would be worried about this business project without the people protest?
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Old December 11th, 2010, 07:57 AM   #425
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The tower was closed! What a pity that abolished the high-rise building regulations in the city, allowed to build buildings higher than 100 meters. Since yesterday, Russian President Medvedev spoke on the tower Okhta-Center. Now the tower will be built at the place where it wanted to build, and will also be three times the altitude of the tower is lowered by changing his appearance beyond recognition. Planned to change the concept of the project dramatically. The tower will be built on the outskirts of the city in its amended form.
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Three times the altitude of the tower??? That'd put Arabs to shame
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But this can be put to on-hold I guess until we know new approved location
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Old December 12th, 2010, 07:30 AM   #428
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Yes, but this decision was taken due to pressure of the St. Petersburg residents and Heritage workers, isn't so? Do you really believe that Russian politicans (including President, Prime Minister, Governor of St. Petersburg) would be worried about this business project without the people protest?
Russian politicians in general don't give a shit about what their people think since elections are a farce. Medvedev most probably is going to run against Putin in the upcoming elections in 2012 and he needs to show that he is something real not just a shadow of Putin himself. Putin was for the tower despite all the opinions that this tower will make an ugly addition to the city. Medvedev lately decided to grow some balls and took off most of the appointed governors and even all powerful mayor of Moscow. Mayor of SPB decided that she may be next and decided to "hear the will of the people" all of a sudden. But in fact she just hears what president Medvedev says. And he publicly declared his opposition to this tower. Welcome to election campaign.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 07:36 AM   #429
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But this can be put to on-hold I guess until we know new approved location
Most probably the new location will be proposed, but it is a question if the company will accept this. On the other hand since Gazprom is almost a state owned company and if Medvedev or whoever is on top will tell them to build even in the middle of a swamp they have to do this. So chances are that they will build something somewhere.
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Victory for the protectors of decrepitude. Perhaps these zealots can exert some of their precious effort to stop idiotic low rise projects in the sacrosanct "downtown" core.

Too bad Gazprom is state owned. It should simply cancel the project in St. Petersburg and put it in Moscow. People need to learn that there are consequences to their actions.
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Russian politicians in general don't give a shit about what their people think since elections are a farce. Medvedev most probably is going to run against Putin in the upcoming elections in 2012 and he needs to show that he is something real not just a shadow of Putin himself. Putin was for the tower despite all the opinions that this tower will make an ugly addition to the city. Medvedev lately decided to grow some balls and took off most of the appointed governors and even all powerful mayor of Moscow. Mayor of SPB decided that she may be next and decided to "hear the will of the people" all of a sudden. But in fact she just hears what president Medvedev says. And he publicly declared his opposition to this tower. Welcome to election campaign.
You contradict to yourself. On one hand you say elections are a farce
On the other hand you admit that Medvedev has do smth to show he is not the Putin's shadow to be elected.
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I'll bet they'll still build a supertall. Just further out. Maybe the city will zone a special neighborhood for modern high rises, like La Defence in Paris.
I tought they already had?
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You contradict to yourself. On one hand you say elections are a farce
On the other hand you admit that Medvedev has do smth to show he is not the Putin's shadow to be elected.
no contradiction at all. Medvedev is going to run for presidency in the system he got, not in the one he wishes to do this. So in order to get more weight in the upcoming farce / elections he plays hardball of sorts by making sure that all old guard that is associated with previous president is slowly replaced.
Now - SPB governor probably became more politically savvy after Moscow mayor removal story, so she jumps ahead and announces that Tower is canceled at this place. She does this precisely after Medvedev publicly declared that he don't like the place and project. He did this about 3 months ago and there was no reaction from her immediately after that since I suspect she was not sure how heavy Medvedev was about to get.. But while she was considering her options in the same time Moscow mayor was replaced in a very strong way, so once she sees all this she understands that Medvedev REALLY means business and her job maybe on the line as well. So she jumps on the last train and just did Medvedev bidding with about 3 months lateness.

I know it is a very big political mess that has little to do with real tower, its problems, place and etc but that is the process I believe we are dealing with here.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 03:03 PM   #434
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St. Pete Court Bans Towering Buildings

The St. Petersburg City Court on Monday ruled to ban construction of any buildings in the historical center that would be more than 40 meters high in yet another measure that makes Gazprom's Okhta Center project impossible.

In handing down the verdict, the court ruled in favor of the local branch of the Yabloko party that contested the city's permission for the plans by the company's oil arm Gazprom Neft to erect a 403-meter tower, which would dramatically alter the skyline of Russia's imperial capital.

The ruling, which may be appealed in the Supreme Court, came after St. Petersburg Governor Valentina Matviyenko said earlier this month that the city repealed its permission to construct tall buildings in the area and agreed with Gazprom to cancel the project.

Gazprom had hired Arabtec Construction, the biggest construction company in the United Arab Emirates, to do the development.

The Yabloko member in charge of the lawsuit, Maxim Reznik, said the city had changed its mind on the project before the court ruling because it might have wanted to avoid having to obey the court.

In an interview published Monday, Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller for the first time publicly confirmed that the company had irreversibly canceled the construction of the skyscraper on a spot near the Okhta River.

“It's not a temporary retreat. There will be no Okhta Center project on the Okhta Cape,” Miller told the Itogi magazine in the interview.

He also said Gazprom might sell the site to another investor because implementing a different project on the site wouldn't be profitable.


Gazprom has received a number of proposals to build the Okhta Center elsewhere, including Omsk, where Gazprom Neft has a refinery, and Vladivostok, the terminus of a major gas pipeline that is still under construction, Miller said. The Armenian capital Yerevan has also expressed a desire to host the tower, he said.

The Leningrad region government may also allocate a site to implement the project, Deputy Governor Grigory Dvas said last week, Interfax reported.

Chief architect of the Okhta Center project, Filipp Nikandrov, said he hadn't received any proposals of other possible locations from the St. Petersburg government. Nikandrov said construction of the skyscraper on another site was theoretically possible, but that the project's design was tailored to the Okhta site.

“We have created the Okhta Center specially for this place, and I believe that it would look great at this place. It wouldn't damage the city skyline and would complete it perfectly,” he insisted in a telephone interview from St. Petersburg.

President Dmitry Medvedev urged St. Petersburg authorities earlier this year to reconsider the height of the tower.

Gazprom Neft and ODTs Okhta, which is managing the project, declined to comment on the issue Monday.

Arabtec could not be reached for comment Monday afternoon, but the scuttling of the project might have been an abrupt decision for the company. Its chief financial officer Ziad Makhzoumi said in November that complaints from “different parts of the community” had been addressed and the company was going ahead with the plan to build the skyscraper.
Source: The Moscow Times

And there's a hilarious post scriptum or rather post mortem in yesteday's RBC Daily. Miller said building another project at Okhta [on a smaller scale] wouldn't pay off the works that are already done, so the only alternative there now is "some kind of exotic project like modern pollution-free waste processing plant". Take that, St. Petersburg authorities!
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #435
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Have this news been posted somewhere here already? Is it a proper thread for this? Well...

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Social and Business Center Okhta Purchased a Site in Primorsky District of Saint Petersburg
11.03.2011

Social and Business Center Okhta CJSC purchased from LSR Group a site 140 000 sq.m. The site is located in Primorsky district of Saint Petersburg, on the outskirts of the city between the Gulf of Finland and Primorskoye highway at the address: 2 Lakhtinsky avenue, Block 3, lit. A. Previously a storage yard of sand was located there.

In accordance with the Land Use Regulations this area is designated for allocation of multifunctional public and business facilities in peripheral and rural districts of the city including residential buildings as well as engineering infrastructure.

Social and Business Center Okhta CJSC has an intention to implement a project of a business complex at the site in order to accommodate the headquarters of Gazprom Neft and other companies of Gazprom Group.

The specialists of the company have conducted a comprehensive assessment of all the proposals received by the company. The final choice, the site in Primorsky district, was selected in an open market and met the requirements set to the construction of Gazprom Group business center to the highest extent.

The site selected for development is located almost 10km away from the historic part of the city. An important advantage of the site is the vicinity to the Western High-Speed Diameter being built, which will enable getting to the airport at less than half an hour bypassing the center of the city. New roads and flyovers with Primorskoye highway to be built in the nearest years will improve transport logistics of this area as well.

A new Project, Gazprom Group Business Center will be implemented in Primorsky district. The parameters of the project are not finalized. The functionality of the complex will be significantly altered and adjusted to the new site.

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So, it has not yet been officially announced it will be a supertall tower... but it seems very probable.

The chosen site - at Lakhta:
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If this really is the new site then it is a very poor choice. There is no transport infrastructure to service it. Supposedly one of the new ring highways will pass nearby. But seriously, no subway? This is not even a secondary business district. Putting up a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere makes no sense.

I guess Gazprom must have a lot of employees in St. Petersburg to be wasting so much effort. They should give the idiotic St. Petersburg authorities the middle finger and build the skyscraper in Moscow. St. Petersburg can become a museum boutique dedicated to the preservation of ancient artifacts and the czarist "legacy".
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Old June 18th, 2011, 06:39 AM   #437
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Renders on a new plot:

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If you go around the world, skyscrapers are built in established high density districts. This makes sense because of infrastructure and central location.

A render of the old project on this plot does not make it viable, regardless if Gazprom has too many billions it needs to waste. The site is absurd. Are they going to build residential barracks for this office complex? Do they seriously expect people to commute to this location through the traffic nightmare that are St. Petersburg streets? (Even the recently opened highways are not a cure). Maybe someone is hoping that this project will seed a major business district in this part of the city. But this is development by decree thinking.
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Well, at least it's on the waterfront.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 03:30 PM   #440
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wow because there is no other building around it looks even more massive. in the render it looks over 400m for me, but yeah its because it stands alone there, very nice project
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