YYZ/YTZ | Toronto Area Airports

globetrekker · December 17th, 2006, 08:16 PM

Hey there!

I was looking over some facts, figures and pictures of YYZ and I began thinking about the end product of the airports redevelopment plan. Once finished, it will handle a capacity of 50 million passengers a year. The plan for T1 is to have it extend across where all of Terminal 2 now sits. So once they do extend the airport that far, they would have built their terminal capable of handling 50 million passengers.

But what happens beyond that when the number of passengers continue to grow?

Forgetting the Pickering proposal, do you believe that there will still be enough land at the current YYZ to build another terminal or a satellite? If I knew how to post pictures in here, I would attach a recent aerial shot of the airport. I believe that a new terminal could be built at the north(north/east) end of the airport - north of runway 23 (check out the airport on Google maps to see what I'm talking about.) Even with a terminal there, they would still have room to build their sixth runway. What do you think?

At this point, I would like to see them get innovative and create something that can accommodate more passengers instead of opening up a new airport or sending planes to Hamilton. For example, a cluster of small to mid-sized, modern satellites above but check-in would be underground so not to use up space above ground. What are your ideas?

Filip · December 17th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Well the infield area could be turned into a large satellite terminal. It's perfectly doable (and it's done in many MANY places. And then north of T3, you could stick another terminal.
I think, though, it will be many years before 50 million passengers are reached.
Btw, I read eventually T3 will be incorporated into T1, making the capacity around 65+ million.

ACT7 · December 18th, 2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Filip

Well the infield area could be turned into a large satellite terminal. It's perfectly doable (and it's done in many MANY places. And then north of T3, you could stick another terminal.
I think, though, it will be many years before 50 million passengers are reached.
Btw, I read eventually T3 will be incorporated into T1, making the capacity around 65+ million.

I heard the same thing about T3 being attached to T1 in the future. You're right about the Infield Terminal too being used possibly as a legitimate satellite terminal. If that's the case they should do the same as Atlanta and build a "subway-like" system from the main terminal to the satellites.

nitzomoe · December 18th, 2006, 12:45 AM

Originally i saw on the GTAA website that after completing the U, they would eventuall tare down Terminal 3 and extend the U into a J. Dunno whether thats still on the table.

globetrekker · December 19th, 2006, 05:57 AM

Has there been any progress with the Pickering plans? Here's hoping not...

p5archit · December 19th, 2006, 11:17 PM

I believe there is enough space for the airport to expand once they complete the T1 building completely. As was stated in a previous post, I believe the plan was to take down T3 and replace it with an extension of T1- while also adding an additional arm to where T2 now stands.

However, that said it will probably be quite some time before we see the Terminal reach capacity and therefore we/they should have ample time to think up various additional capacity scenarios, not including the Pickering plan-

p5

harisadoo · January 25th, 2007, 11:30 AM

what do you do ? .

UD2 · January 26th, 2007, 07:45 AM

they would never tear down the T3, it's way too big of a hassel for the GTAA.

if it comes to the point where both the newly built T1 and upgraded T3 can no longer handel the passenger load (which would be in around 40 years), then the GTAA would probabley convert current cargo terminal into another passanger terminal and connect it to the current infield terminal. Then they would probabley force Air Canada out of the current Air Canada cargos and demolish the Air Canada Vehicle repair shop to make that facility plus maybe the 3 bay hanger a huge cargo facility.

samsonyuen · January 28th, 2007, 05:06 AM

And don't forget about Pickering as an alternate airport. T3 is pretty efficient, I don't think it'll get torn down. And the monorail system links the terminals already, I guess they could do that with the IFT in the future.

nitzomoe · January 28th, 2007, 06:29 AM

they did pay $800 million to purchase terminal 3 from the private developers so at the very least it should be awhile before they have the cash to tear in down.

globetrekker · January 29th, 2007, 06:03 AM

Did anyone else catch the mention of a highspeed train connecting YYZ to the downtown core on the news tonight?

In other news, Toronto's Pearson International Airport Web site has been updated. It looks great! I'm loving what the GTAA is doing so far - in general!

spongeg · January 29th, 2007, 06:12 AM

a train would make sense
canada's major city and airport and no good transit

Filip · January 29th, 2007, 06:17 AM

Well I know there's a lot of political opposition to it from councillors in its path - though I do hope that rail link materializes, it would rock my sox!

TObermuda37 · January 29th, 2007, 09:33 PM

A bit off topic but it looks like Transaero has applied and received permission to fly St. Petersburg - Toronto - St. Petersburg (as in Russia not Florida). They have also amended their license to fly Moscow - Toronto - Montreal - Toronto - Moscow and Moscow - Montreal - Toronto - Montreal - Moscow.

Since the last time they applied and received permission for the Toronto route, they acted pretty fast and started the route. Here is the link: http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2007_e.html

ACT7 · January 29th, 2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TObermuda37

A bit off topic but it looks like Transaero has applied and received permission to fly St. Petersburg - Toronto - St. Petersburg (as in Russia not Florida). They have also amended their license to fly Moscow - Toronto - Montreal - Toronto - Moscow and Moscow - Montreal - Toronto - Montreal - Moscow.

Since the last time they applied and received permission for the Toronto route, they acted pretty fast and started the route. Here is the link: http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2007_e.html

That's awesome news! I think we're going to see some great new routes this year.

TObermuda37 · January 30th, 2007, 04:16 PM

Now that the GTAA website has changed, here is the link to the charges for airlines. Lets do some crunching to determine the final numbers cause in stories today on the CBC, they are saying that the GTAA disputes the most expensive claim.

http://www.gtaa.com/local/files/en/RatesandCharges.pdf

Gil · January 31st, 2007, 05:39 AM

With the closure of Terminal 2, I was wondering what they would do with the numbering system now. Will they rechristen T3 to the new T2? If not, I think they should just label the second half of T1 that will be built on the site of T2 as Terminal 2. There are several examples of terminals being given separate labels despite being the same physical building.

ACT7 · January 31st, 2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gil

With the closure of Terminal 2, I was wondering what they would do with the numbering system now. Will they rechristen T3 to the new T2? If not, I think they should just label the second half of T1 that will be built on the site of T2 as Terminal 2. There are several examples of terminals being given separate labels despite being the same physical building.

My understanding is they're not screwing around with the terminal numbers. Not yet anyway. I think the longterm master plan is to join T1 and T3 anyway so eventually it will just be one massive terminal with several piers.

TObermuda37 · January 31st, 2007, 05:00 PM

Looks like bright things are happening in the aviation industry within Canada. According to this article (http://sev.prnewswire.com/airlines-a...012007-1.html), Canada is leading aviation growth in the America's. This will certainly translate to more flights to Pearson especially international flights. Domesticaly we are not hurting either. Looks like it will be a great year.

Cheers.

nitzomoe · February 2nd, 2007, 07:11 PM

just an update from airliners.net. seems like Etihad will be flying 6 times weekly from august 7, flights are slated to be twice every teusday/thursday/saturday. One flight will be direct in the morning at 10 using an a340 and the usual later flight at 12:05 am using an a332. you can confirm yourselves through the etihad portal.

December 17th, 2006, 08:16 PM	#1
globetrekker Registered user Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 281 Likes (Received): 0	YYZ/YTZ \| Toronto Area Airports Hey there! I was looking over some facts, figures and pictures of YYZ and I began thinking about the end product of the airports redevelopment plan. Once finished, it will handle a capacity of 50 million passengers a year. The plan for T1 is to have it extend across where all of Terminal 2 now sits. So once they do extend the airport that far, they would have built their terminal capable of handling 50 million passengers. But what happens beyond that when the number of passengers continue to grow? Forgetting the Pickering proposal, do you believe that there will still be enough land at the current YYZ to build another terminal or a satellite? If I knew how to post pictures in here, I would attach a recent aerial shot of the airport. I believe that a new terminal could be built at the north(north/east) end of the airport - north of runway 23 (check out the airport on Google maps to see what I'm talking about.) Even with a terminal there, they would still have room to build their sixth runway. What do you think? At this point, I would like to see them get innovative and create something that can accommodate more passengers instead of opening up a new airport or sending planes to Hamilton. For example, a cluster of small to mid-sized, modern satellites above but check-in would be underground so not to use up space above ground. What are your ideas?

December 19th, 2006, 11:17 PM	#6
p5archit Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto, Vienna, Amsterdam Posts: 523 Likes (Received): 0	I believe there is enough space for the airport to expand once they complete the T1 building completely. As was stated in a previous post, I believe the plan was to take down T3 and replace it with an extension of T1- while also adding an additional arm to where T2 now stands. However, that said it will probably be quite some time before we see the Terminal reach capacity and therefore we/they should have ample time to think up various additional capacity scenarios, not including the Pickering plan- p5 __________________ ..unc!

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January 26th, 2007, 07:45 AM	#8
UD2 A very cool person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,322 Likes (Received): 0	they would never tear down the T3, it's way too big of a hassel for the GTAA. if it comes to the point where both the newly built T1 and upgraded T3 can no longer handel the passenger load (which would be in around 40 years), then the GTAA would probabley convert current cargo terminal into another passanger terminal and connect it to the current infield terminal. Then they would probabley force Air Canada out of the current Air Canada cargos and demolish the Air Canada Vehicle repair shop to make that facility plus maybe the 3 bay hanger a huge cargo facility. __________________ "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed" - President Eisenhower

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December 17th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#2
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	Well the infield area could be turned into a large satellite terminal. It's perfectly doable (and it's done in many MANY places. And then north of T3, you could stick another terminal. I think, though, it will be many years before 50 million passengers are reached. Btw, I read eventually T3 will be incorporated into T1, making the capacity around 65+ million.

December 18th, 2006, 12:45 AM	#4
nitzomoe Scarebarian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Calgary Posts: 597 Likes (Received): 1	Originally i saw on the GTAA website that after completing the U, they would eventuall tare down Terminal 3 and extend the U into a J. Dunno whether thats still on the table.

December 19th, 2006, 05:57 AM	#5
globetrekker Registered user Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 281 Likes (Received): 0	Has there been any progress with the Pickering plans? Here's hoping not...

January 28th, 2007, 05:06 AM	#9
samsonyuen SSLL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canary Wharf > CityPlace Posts: 8,534 Likes (Received): 0	And don't forget about Pickering as an alternate airport. T3 is pretty efficient, I don't think it'll get torn down. And the monorail system links the terminals already, I guess they could do that with the IFT in the future.

January 28th, 2007, 06:29 AM	#10
nitzomoe Scarebarian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Calgary Posts: 597 Likes (Received): 1	they did pay $800 million to purchase terminal 3 from the private developers so at the very least it should be awhile before they have the cash to tear in down.

January 29th, 2007, 06:03 AM	#11
globetrekker Registered user Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 281 Likes (Received): 0	Did anyone else catch the mention of a highspeed train connecting YYZ to the downtown core on the news tonight? In other news, Toronto's Pearson International Airport Web site has been updated. It looks great! I'm loving what the GTAA is doing so far - in general!

January 29th, 2007, 06:12 AM	#12
spongeg Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Coquitlam/Rainbow Lake Posts: 7,573 Likes (Received): 1	a train would make sense canada's major city and airport and no good transit

January 29th, 2007, 06:17 AM	#13
Filip Torontonian 4ever Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,257 Likes (Received): 16	Well I know there's a lot of political opposition to it from councillors in its path - though I do hope that rail link materializes, it would rock my sox!

January 29th, 2007, 09:33 PM	#14
TObermuda37 Canadian in Bermuda Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 88 Likes (Received): 0	A bit off topic but it looks like Transaero has applied and received permission to fly St. Petersburg - Toronto - St. Petersburg (as in Russia not Florida). They have also amended their license to fly Moscow - Toronto - Montreal - Toronto - Moscow and Moscow - Montreal - Toronto - Montreal - Moscow. Since the last time they applied and received permission for the Toronto route, they acted pretty fast and started the route. Here is the link: http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2007_e.html

January 30th, 2007, 04:16 PM	#16
TObermuda37 Canadian in Bermuda Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 88 Likes (Received): 0	Now that the GTAA website has changed, here is the link to the charges for airlines. Lets do some crunching to determine the final numbers cause in stories today on the CBC, they are saying that the GTAA disputes the most expensive claim. http://www.gtaa.com/local/files/en/RatesandCharges.pdf

January 31st, 2007, 05:39 AM	#17
Gil Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 982 Likes (Received): 5	With the closure of Terminal 2, I was wondering what they would do with the numbering system now. Will they rechristen T3 to the new T2? If not, I think they should just label the second half of T1 that will be built on the site of T2 as Terminal 2. There are several examples of terminals being given separate labels despite being the same physical building.

January 31st, 2007, 05:00 PM	#19
TObermuda37 Canadian in Bermuda Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 88 Likes (Received): 0	Looks like bright things are happening in the aviation industry within Canada. According to this article (http://sev.prnewswire.com/airlines-a...012007-1.html), Canada is leading aviation growth in the America's. This will certainly translate to more flights to Pearson especially international flights. Domesticaly we are not hurting either. Looks like it will be a great year. Cheers.

February 2nd, 2007, 07:11 PM	#20
nitzomoe Scarebarian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Calgary Posts: 597 Likes (Received): 1	just an update from airliners.net. seems like Etihad will be flying 6 times weekly from august 7, flights are slated to be twice every teusday/thursday/saturday. One flight will be direct in the morning at 10 using an a340 and the usual later flight at 12:05 am using an a332. you can confirm yourselves through the etihad portal.