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Old May 31st, 2007, 06:43 PM   #181
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strange to see MH asking for charter flights...I can't see YYZ as a charter destination for them...maybe YVR or YYC...

as for the rest, bring 'em on...
These will be MASKargo flights to Vancouver.
Although MASKargo flights operating KUL-FRA-YYZ is not outside the realm of possibility.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:52 PM   #182
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They took the PDF off their website... The announcement was to be made back in April AFAIK...

Apparently we have Emirates coming Oct 28th, Kuwait Airways possibly too, now I'm waiting for Qatar (I've been seeing their ads everywhere) and Air Canada vying for exemption to fly to Singapore (maybe from Vancouver) but this could mean a new bilateral and SQ at YYZ!
Do you have a confirmed source about Oct 28th?
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Old June 1st, 2007, 03:15 AM   #183
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It's from YYZer over on the TO section's Pearson thread:

Well, here we go...just posted at the CTA government website, permission for EK to begin selling seats, presumably out of YYZ, while their license is being processed...........

Order No. 2007-A-176
May 29, 2007

IN THE MATTER OF an exemption from section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, to permit Emirates to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada.
File No. M4212/E217-4
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Emirates (hereinafter the applicant) has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (hereinafter the Agency) for the exemption set out in the title. The application was received on May 17, 2007.

Section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act (hereinafter the CTA) prohibits an applicant from selling, causing to be sold or publicly offering for sale in Canada an air service without holding a licence in respect of that service. The applicant has applied for a scheduled international licence to operate a service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada. However, as the application is not yet complete, an exemption from the application of section 59 of the CTA is necessary in order to allow the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada the proposed air service prior to obtaining the applied for licence.

The applicant states that it proposes to start operating its service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada on October 28, 2007 and that it is in the process of obtaining a Canadian Foreign Air Operator Certificate issued by Transport Canada which is required to complete the licence application. Consequently, the applicant submits that in order for the proposed service to be viable, it must be able to offer for sale the service at the earliest possible date.

The Agency has carefully reviewed and considered the application and is of the opinion that in order for the proposed service to be viable, the applicant must be able to offer for sale seats at the earliest possible date. Therefore, the Agency finds that compliance by the applicant with section 59 of the CTA is impractical in the present circumstances.

Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the CTA, hereby exempts the applicant from the application of section 59 of the CTA, thereby permitting the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada, effective from the date of this Order, without holding the required licence, subject to the following conditions:

1. All passengers shall be notified, before reservation, that the international scheduled service is subject to government approval. All future advertising in any media, whether in writing or by telecommunication, shall also include this information.

2. The applicant shall apply its published tariffs, on file with the Agency and in effect, to sales of transportation.

3. The exemption authorized herein does not relieve the applicant from the requirement to hold a licence in respect of the service to be provided and, accordingly, no flights shall be operated until the appropriate licence authority has been granted.

4. The applicant shall arrange to provide alternative air transportation by an appropriately licensed air carrier, at no additional cost for all passengers who have made reservations with the applicant, or, if such arrangements are not possible or acceptable to the passenger, to provide a full refund of all monies paid by the passenger, should the international scheduled licence not issue.

The exemption granted herein does not exempt the applicant from the requirements of other legislative acts or regulations, including those of Transport Canada.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 04:12 PM   #184
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It's from YYZer over on the TO section's Pearson thread:

Well, here we go...just posted at the CTA government website, permission for EK to begin selling seats, presumably out of YYZ, while their license is being processed...........

Order No. 2007-A-176
May 29, 2007

IN THE MATTER OF an exemption from section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, to permit Emirates to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada.
File No. M4212/E217-4
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Emirates (hereinafter the applicant) has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (hereinafter the Agency) for the exemption set out in the title. The application was received on May 17, 2007.

Section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act (hereinafter the CTA) prohibits an applicant from selling, causing to be sold or publicly offering for sale in Canada an air service without holding a licence in respect of that service. The applicant has applied for a scheduled international licence to operate a service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada. However, as the application is not yet complete, an exemption from the application of section 59 of the CTA is necessary in order to allow the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada the proposed air service prior to obtaining the applied for licence.

The applicant states that it proposes to start operating its service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada on October 28, 2007 and that it is in the process of obtaining a Canadian Foreign Air Operator Certificate issued by Transport Canada which is required to complete the licence application. Consequently, the applicant submits that in order for the proposed service to be viable, it must be able to offer for sale the service at the earliest possible date.

The Agency has carefully reviewed and considered the application and is of the opinion that in order for the proposed service to be viable, the applicant must be able to offer for sale seats at the earliest possible date. Therefore, the Agency finds that compliance by the applicant with section 59 of the CTA is impractical in the present circumstances.

Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the CTA, hereby exempts the applicant from the application of section 59 of the CTA, thereby permitting the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada, effective from the date of this Order, without holding the required licence, subject to the following conditions:

1. All passengers shall be notified, before reservation, that the international scheduled service is subject to government approval. All future advertising in any media, whether in writing or by telecommunication, shall also include this information.

2. The applicant shall apply its published tariffs, on file with the Agency and in effect, to sales of transportation.

3. The exemption authorized herein does not relieve the applicant from the requirement to hold a licence in respect of the service to be provided and, accordingly, no flights shall be operated until the appropriate licence authority has been granted.

4. The applicant shall arrange to provide alternative air transportation by an appropriately licensed air carrier, at no additional cost for all passengers who have made reservations with the applicant, or, if such arrangements are not possible or acceptable to the passenger, to provide a full refund of all monies paid by the passenger, should the international scheduled licence not issue.

The exemption granted herein does not exempt the applicant from the requirements of other legislative acts or regulations, including those of Transport Canada.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #185
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This is great news. Thanks Guys.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 02:41 AM   #186
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Just remember, you won't see Emirates here at YYZ, unless there is a revision to the bilateral Air Services Agreement with Canada and the UAE....their application is pre-emptive only, in case the revision happens. Let's hope it does......
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Old June 5th, 2007, 06:33 AM   #187
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Just remember, you won't see Emirates here at YYZ, unless there is a revision to the bilateral Air Services Agreement with Canada and the UAE....their application is pre-emptive only, in case the revision happens. Let's hope it does......
The revision is only necessary for daily service. Emirates can still operate 3 times weekly under the current bilateral agreement. I think at this point they will take advantage of that and once the bilateral is changed or there is a true open skies agreement, it will become daily service.
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IT'S OFFICIAL FOLKS!!!

Emirates Takes Off For Toronto

Dubai-based international airline makes Canada home to its 91st destination


Emirates, one of the world’s most successful and fastest-growing international airlines, has announced its plans to start services to Toronto, a first gateway for the airline in Canada starting 29th October 2007. The international service is subject to government approval.

The non-stop service between Dubai and Toronto is planned to operate three times a week. Emirates will fly its Boeing 777-300ER on the route, offering 354 seats in a three-class configuration with six tonnes of cargo capacity from Dubai to Toronto and 12 tonnes from Toronto to Dubai.

HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman and Chief Executive, Emirates Airline and Group said: “Responding to market demand, the new route will provide a first direct link between Canada’s largest city and Dubai, providing also convenient, ongoing access to the Middle East, Africa and the South Asian Subcontinent. We anticipate this route will be very popular, connecting Canada to our global network of soon to be over 90 cities worldwide.”

“This year marks a substantial investment in expanded services in North America, and with enhancements to our 777-300ER, we certainly look forward to launching operations in Toronto in October.”

The planned new route will provide travellers with access to all major Canadian centres with excellent connections available through Toronto’s Pearson International Airport. Identified as the country’s financial centre as well as for its world-class restaurants, cultural venues, trade exhibitions and hundreds of festivals each year, Toronto offers business and leisure travellers a host of reasons to fly the northern skies.

The Dubai-Toronto non-stop service will take 14 hours and 20 minutes and a return journey of just over 13 hours.

Making comfort a top concern on the long-haul journey, the aircraft will be fitted with eight luxurious private suites in First class, 42 of its latest lie-flat seats in Business class, and a comfortable Economy-class cabin for 304 passengers.

Passengers in all classes will enjoy the award-winning service from Emirates’ international cabin crew recruited from over 100 countries around the world; meals prepared by gourmet chefs; as well as the airline’s cutting-edge ‘ice’ (information, communication, entertainment) system, which offers a selection of over 600 channels of entertainment on demand and the ability to send and receive email and text messages from their personal in-seat entertainment systems.

Pending government approval, Toronto will be one of five new Emirates destinations in 2007. Earlier this year, Emirates announced plans to start services to Venice in July, Newcastle in September, Sao Paulo in October and Houston in December. Emirates’ global route network currently spans 87 cities in 60 countries across Africa, Europe, the Far East, Indian Subcontinent, and North America. For flight information and bookings, visit: www.emirates.com.>
Flight timings for Emirates’ Dubai-Toronto service (starting 29th, October 2007)

EK241 Departs Dubai (DXB) at 08:35 hrs Monday, Wednesday, Friday
and arrives in Toronto (YYZ) at 14:55hrs

EK242 Departs Toronto at 21:40 hrs Monday, Wednesday, Friday
and arrives in Dubai at 18:55 hrs the next day

*All times indicated are local
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Old June 5th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #189
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Woohooo! Next up, Qatar and Kuwait!
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Old June 5th, 2007, 09:47 PM   #190
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looks like the first 3 destinations they're considering are Toronto, Montreal and Hamilton. Its strange that they have all the codes wrong though.

http://fly.emirates.com/airInterline...&connection=ca
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Old June 5th, 2007, 10:18 PM   #191
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looks like the first 3 destinations they're considering are Toronto, Montreal and Hamilton. Its strange that they have all the codes wrong though.

http://fly.emirates.com/airInterline...&connection=ca
Actually it looks like Halifax, not Hamilton, but you're right, the codes are all wrong. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Halifax gets service before even Calgary. And I think Calgary is 20 years out for Emirates service.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 10:40 PM   #192
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Actually it looks like Halifax, not Hamilton, but you're right, the codes are all wrong. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if Halifax gets service before even Calgary. And I think Calgary is 20 years out for Emirates service.
Yes it is Halifax...
The codes for both Toronto and Montreal are in fact correct.
See explanation below

YTO and YMQ are the CITY codes for Toronto and Montreal respectively.
YYZ and YUL are AIRPORT codes for Pearson and Trudeau respectively.

These three cities being listed has nothing to do with Emirates serving them. It refers to Emirates' flight connectivity/interlining with flights originating or departing for Halifax, Montreal and Toronto.

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Yes it is Halifax...
The codes for both Toronto and Montreal are in fact correct.
See explanation below

YTO and YMQ are the CITY codes for Toronto and Montreal respectively.
YYZ and YUL are AIRPORT codes for Pearson and Trudeau respectively.

These three cities being listed has nothing to do with Emirates serving them. It refers to Emirates' flight connectivity/interlining with flights originating or departing for Halifax, Montreal and Toronto.
Thanks for clarifying.

The Emirates route has already been posted on wikipedia for both Pearson Airport and for Emirates Airlines. Not sure if this is accurate, but it looks like they'll be using T3 for some reason. Same with Jet Airways, although I think Emirates would most likely fly into T1. I think the T3 postings are temporary until airlines work out the gate slots.
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Old June 6th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #194
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Terminal 3 has always been the home of international airlines. Unless EK become star alliance, it'll most likely be T3.

I don't believe GlobeGrounds have any service crew based at T1.
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Terminal 3 has always been the home of international airlines. Unless EK become star alliance, it'll most likely be T3.

I don't believe GlobeGrounds have any service crew based at T1.
That's true for the most part, but I thought T1 was built with the intention of moving most international airlines and leaving only carriers like Skyservice, Transat and Westjet at T3. Besides, Etihad, Alitalia and Sunwing aren't Star Alliance and they use Terminal 1. Just seems like an excessively large terminal for a handfull of airlines only. I'm hoping for T1 all the way!
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Old June 6th, 2007, 07:30 AM   #196
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That's true for the most part, but I thought T1 was built with the intention of moving most international airlines and leaving only carriers like Skyservice, Transat and Westjet at T3. Besides, Etihad, Alitalia and Sunwing aren't Star Alliance and they use Terminal 1. Just seems like an excessively large terminal for a handfull of airlines only. I'm hoping for T1 all the way!
Back during the trials, they said that eventually airlines will be moved to T1, leaving T3 only as a charter, short haul terminal. This was in the long term though, I guess in 5 or so years.
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Terminal 3 has always been the home of international airlines. Unless EK become star alliance, it'll most likely be T3.

I don't believe GlobeGrounds have any service crew based at T1.
Star Alliance really isn't the determining factor as Etihad, Alitalia etc use T1.
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Old June 8th, 2007, 08:53 AM   #198
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Star Alliance doesnt play a role at all; I mentioned Star Alliance becuase they are all serviced by the Air Canada ground crew.

I guess Globegrounds moved some of their people over.
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Some more/extra service for YYZ in the coming months:

1) Plans daily service ---an article from the United Arab Emirates says that the launch in October 2005 of the Abu Dhabi-Brussels-Toronto route was very successful and averaged an 80 per cent load factor. That is why the airline decided to split the route into two separate aircraft and is now flying Abu Dhabi-Toronto non-stop three times per week. Furthermore, in order to strengthen its global network of flights Etihad will increase to daily the frequency of both destinations once it has gained the necessary government approvals. (see below) James Hogan, Etihad Airways' chief executive said, "In order to compete with the world's best airlines it is vital that Etihad offers non-stop flights to the world's top destinations." A delegation of senior Etihad management, including James Hogan, Wayne Pearce, EVP strategy and planning, and Khaled Al Mehairbi, VP government and international affairs travelled to Toronto on the inaugural non-stop flight. The delegation will be attending the World Air Transport Summit and the IATA annual general meeting in Vancouver from June 3 to 5.


2) Korea Increase ---Air Canada has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (CTA) for approval to provide additional capacity between Canada and Korea from July 1 to October 27, 2007. The airline is asking for three flights per week Toronto-Seoul in addition to daily Vancouver-Seoul using Airbus A340 aircraft. The CTA has granted the request for three additional flights per week for the peak summer season.

3) Canada-UAE Agreement ---the existing agreement between Canada and the United Arab Emirates has seen Emirates Airlines designated as a carrier from the U.A.E. as of April 5, 2007. At this point, Air Canada is the only carrier designated from Canada to serve the U.A.E. With the announcement from Etihad Airways (see above) indicating their desire to go daily to Toronto and the recent announcement by Emirates of start up of Toronto service their is widespread speculation that a new "open skies" agreement may be signed later this summer or fall to facilitate more frequency. It is not inconceivable to suggest that once such an agreement is in place that we could see both carriers flying daily between Toronto and the U.A.E. The United Arab Emirates currently has signed 85 air service agreements with other governments and 30 bilateral agreements. The majority are "open skies" agreements allowing unlimited access to U.A.E. airports.


4) Qatar Wants Agreement --media reports from Qatar indicate that Qatar Airlines is anxious to have a new air services agreement negotiated with Canada. This would allow Qatar Airlines to begin service to Canada connecting their home airport of Doha directly. Qatar is growing their fleet rapidly and just recently placed a large order for the new Airbus A350XWB aircraft.

5) Schedule Announced ---in a press release seen in Financial Post dated May 30, 2007 JetAirways (India) Ltd. announced that they will begin five flights per week from Toronto to New Delhi via Brussels commencing on August 23rd. The Indian carrier aims to deliver daily service by the end of October as part of a major push into North America, said Abraham Joseph, a senior general manager for the airline. "We had Canada in mind ever since we got permission to fly overseas," Mr. Joseph said. "We have a market here with a lot of people travelling to India on business or for vacation. We are hoping to capture a good market share of this traffic." Jet Airways hopes that it will be able to leverage its vast domestic network with its international flights to connect people to other Indian cities such as Kochi, Chennai, and Bangalore. In addition, because another flight to Mumbai from Newark arrives at the hub in Brussels at the same time as the Toronto flight, the airline hopes it will increase capacity on both flights by allowing passengers to transfer to the other destination. The airline plans to add six North American destinations by September, including Toronto. Airbus A330-200 aircraft will be used on the new Toronto route with arriving flights in at 1205hrs and departures at 2015hrs in the evening. The Amadeus web site now shows these flights operating effective September 1st with the westbound flight number called (9W226) and the eastbound flight (9W225). Flights are planned daily, except for Tuesday and Wednesday.


6) Ocean Airlines S.p.A. (VC/VCX)
Licence Application ---has applied to the CTA for a licence to operate a non-scheduled international service to transport goods on a charter basis between points in Italy and points in Canada. The CTA has issued the necessary licence documentation to the carrier.

YYZ is definitely on the move!
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AC tried the YYZ-ICN nonstop flight before and it was quietly dropped. When I flew that segment a few years ago my flight was 1/4 full. I thought they have the rights to fly it already since they were able to do it before?
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