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Old October 31st, 2011, 07:00 AM   #2081
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Austrian or Alitalia?
Altilia. Austrian is increasing their service this winter compared to last. Alitalia is really is no different than Olympic. The airline is poorly run. A city with half a million Italians will never really be an under-performer for an Italian airline - if it's run well. Aeroflot cited the same reason a few years ago and Transaero has picked up the slack, meaning there is still more than enough demand. It would be sad to see Alitalia pull out all together though.

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Old October 31st, 2011, 09:06 PM   #2082
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Altilia. Austrian is increasing their service this winter compared to last. Alitalia is really is no different than Olympic. The airline is poorly run. A city with half a million Italians will never really be an under-performer for an Italian airline - if it's run well. Aeroflot cited the same reason a few years ago and Transaero has picked up the slack, meaning there is still more than enough demand. It would be sad to see Alitalia pull out all together though.
How many rotations per week can we see from Austrian this winter? I agree on what you said about Alitalia. I think they need to break even in the winter just to stay alive, and then they make up during the summer. That's how Olympic used to operate. I fly them often and I always rush towards the front when we land in Rome.... The front cabin is always half empty in the winter. It's some sort of vintage business class from the late 1990. On the other hand, the ones that like to fly the front cabin, they go for AC product.
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Old October 31st, 2011, 11:42 PM   #2083
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How many rotations per week can we see from Austrian this winter? I agree on what you said about Alitalia. I think they need to break even in the winter just to stay alive, and then they make up during the summer. That's how Olympic used to operate. I fly them often and I always rush towards the front when we land in Rome.... The front cabin is always half empty in the winter. It's some sort of vintage business class from the late 1990. On the other hand, the ones that like to fly the front cabin, they go for AC product.
Austrian upped their frequency to 4 per week from 3 last year.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 12:09 AM   #2084
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Austrian upped their frequency to 4 per week from 3 last year.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 05:12 PM   #2085
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As per Airline Routes online:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/01/hu-w11cxld/

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Hainan Airlines Long-Haul Cancellations/Suspensions in W11

by JL
Update at 0920GMT 01NOV11

As per 01NOV11 GDS inventory display, Hainan Airlines is cancelling or suspending several International Routes, during Winter 2011/12 season

Reservations for routes mentioned below has been closed at time this post goes to press. All class of service are being Zero’d out.

Shanghai – Urumqi – Istanbul Cancelled eff 01DEC11
HU7921 URC2200 – 2250IST 330 14
HU7922 IST0050 – 1255URC 330 25

Beijing – Toronto Suspended from 01FEB12 to 22JUN12
HU7975 PEK1355 – 1410YYZ 346 36
HU7976 YYZ1620 – 1850+1PEK 346 36


Hangzhou – Shenzhen – Sydney Cancelled eff 13FEB12
HU7913 SZX1920 – 0740+1SYD 330 16
HU7914 SYD1040 – 1700SZX 330 27

Shanghai Pu Dong – Brussels Suspended from 01JAN12 to 22MAR12
HU7907 PVG2310 – 0525+1BRU 330 47
HU7908 BRU1230 – 0700+1PVG 330 15
I think the problem is their twice a week rotation is not enough to stimulate demand - or their product isn't great. Because AC can seem to make it work well and we know that the number of Chinese visitors to Toronto is very much on the rise. Hmmm..
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Old November 1st, 2011, 05:31 PM   #2086
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I think Chinese visitors are more interested in the West Coast, with the mountain scenery being a huge draw. Plus it's also a shorter flight. That's why we see so many Asian carriers calling at Vancouver but not Toronto.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 08:38 PM   #2087
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I actually think airlineroute.net is wrong here...believe they are suspending the Thursday (day 4) rotation only, for those months...
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Old November 1st, 2011, 11:10 PM   #2088
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Btw has anyone noticed on Qatar wikipedia page that it's starting the service to YYZ from November 2011? I am guessing it's a cargo route for now?
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 01:40 AM   #2089
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Btw has anyone noticed on Qatar wikipedia page that it's starting the service to YYZ from November 2011? I am guessing it's a cargo route for now?
Yup...starts next Monday Nov 7....arrival and departure is in the middle of the night i.e. about 0200/0400...
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 03:39 AM   #2090
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^I was expecting dep/arr past midnight.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM   #2091
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As per Airline Routes online:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/01/hu-w11cxld/

I think the problem is their twice a week rotation is not enough to stimulate demand - or their product isn't great. Because AC can seem to make it work well and we know that the number of Chinese visitors to Toronto is very much on the rise. Hmmm..
Unfortunately there's a number of issues hampering HU's operation to YYZ:

1. HU only has 3 A346s (the only aircraft in their fleet capable of PEK-YYZ non-stop).

2. PEK-YYZ with 3 dedicated frames can reliably only be run 3x times a week if they operate a tight efficient schedule. (Not sure if this is happening)

3. AC flies the route daily therefore giving pax better choice not to mention their star alliance partner CA makes this is a better frequent flier draw.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:16 PM   #2092
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Some action from November 2nd

From 2-55pm to 5pm. (not bad for two hours)

Lets start off with HU A340-600





AC A330





B767-300 Osterich from VIE
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:24 PM   #2093
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CX B777 to HKG (B-KPH)

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oFF TO HKG
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:35 PM   #2094
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Az 767 + BA 777+ EK A380








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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:43 PM   #2095
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Air India B777 + AC A330 departure

(AI B777 cut me off so I could not get a decent shot)







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KLM B744 from AMS

wINTER time table? Why at this time of the day? Don't they come in 11am and 7pm? Still I a happy to have her.



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AC B777 + HU A340-600 departures

AC first coming out with this beauty.







Hanian with its A346. (pretty quick turn around for Hanian)







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LH A340 + AF 340 for the end.



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Old November 4th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #2099
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I don't know if this is in addition to the three weekly HU nonstop PEK-YYZ flights, but this was posted on airline routes:

http://airlineroute.net/2011/11/03/hu-2012/

Hainan Airlines Applies Planned Long-Haul Service in 2012 with CAAC
by JL
Update at 1930GMT 03NOV11

Hainan Airlines on 03NOV11 issued application with China’s CAAC, seeking approval to launch following Long-Haul Service in 2012. The application also outlined its planned Boeing 787 service.

Beijing – Toronto – Newark Daily A330
Shanghai – Chongqing – Paris CDG 4 weekly A330
Shanghai – Newark 5 weekly A340 or Boeing 787
Shanghai – San Francisco Daily Boeing 787
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Toronto Pearson well represented in Berlin for World routes conference

Written by Greater Toronto Airports Authority
Thursday, 03 November 2011
The annual World Routes Development Forum returned to Europe this year, complete with a team of Toronto Pearson representatives.

The 17th annual world-renowned airline and airport networking event was held from Oct. 2 to 4 in Berlin, Germany, where attendees discovered new market developments, and had the ability to promote their own opportunities.

This year’s theme for Toronto Pearson’s contingent was “A Partnership That Works for You,” focused on revealing the new Toronto Pearson brand, showcasing its role as a business partner and guest-driven organization. Toronto Pearson sponsored the conference’s Internet Café and free Wi-Fi, allowing delegates from across the globe to stay connected, reinforcing its mission to connect the world.

Over the course of two days, Toronto Pearson’s team had a packed program with profile raising opportunities, including one-on-one meetings and discussions with approximately 45 airlines.

The airport received favourable news coverage, including announcements about its reduced rates and charges for 2012, Condor’s new twice weekly non-stop flights to Frankfurt, WestJet’s new service to San Juan and Air Canada’s winter schedule – all greatly increasing flights to the city.

The Routes forum brings airlines, airports, tourism authorities and other stakeholders together. It’s a place to learn, negotiate, and build relationships – shaping businesses with a competitive edge to grow and thrive.

Toronto Pearson would like to congratulate the team from the Marketing and Commercial Development department of the Greater Toronto Airports Authority.
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