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Old November 10th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #2121
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I think Korean Air used to fly out to YYC. Yea I didnt think that would last.
That was only an infrequent summer seasonsal service too.

Of note, the GTAA third quarter results are in and the increased traffic continues, mainly in the international and transborder segments. Here's the link...

http://www.torontopearson.com/upload...Financials.pdf

Makes me wonder when we are going to start hearing about some new route development. It's been pretty stagnant this year, yet much slower growth (even negative growth) airports are seeing new routes open up.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 12:33 AM   #2122
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Int'l traffic is quite a bit down at YYC. I don't think it LH's withdrawal has anything to do with BA or KLM. They went into the Calgary market when things were going well but it's not a big enough market to support that many foreign carriers right now. Maybe sometime...
Yeah plus low yields...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #2123
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Btw I am thinking of going down to LAX and do some plane spotting, shopping and so on, so my questioN is, is AC better than AA? I think AC sends their A319 down there? Still I think I should choose Air Canada to support our economy over American? I have done YYZ-LAS on a B737-8NG and it was okay.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:02 AM   #2124
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Btw I am thinking of going down to LAX and do some plane spotting, shopping and so on, so my questioN is, is AC better than AA? I think AC sends their A319 down there? Still I think I should choose Air Canada to support our economy over American? I have done YYZ-LAS on a B737-8NG and it was okay.
I've always flown on AC to LAX and have liked it. Never taken AA down there so can't comment on them.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:07 AM   #2125
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Yeah plus low yields...
Yes, in general the international pax traffic to YYC is pretty low yield. Apparently AC thinks there are high yields on the YYC-NRT and YYC-FRA though - they're increasing frequency on the NRT run in 2012 and increasing capacity to FRA. FRA makes sense with LH pulling out. I wonder though - would YYC-NRT be as profitable if it wasn't YYZ-YYC-NRT??? Hmmm...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:40 AM   #2126
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YYC is probably seasonal anyway during the summer when Asian tourists fly in to get to the Rockies instead of making a long trip from Vancouver and back.

Not sure whether the Rockies can get the same draw for the Europeans since they can reach Switzerland and Austria quite easily.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 05:13 AM   #2127
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Yes, in general the international pax traffic to YYC is pretty low yield. Apparently AC thinks there are high yields on the YYC-NRT and YYC-FRA though - they're increasing frequency on the NRT run in 2012 and increasing capacity to FRA. FRA makes sense with LH pulling out. I wonder though - would YYC-NRT be as profitable if it wasn't YYZ-YYC-NRT??? Hmmm...
It sort of reminds me of some of those Eastern European airports where Delta tried their luck, but they found it was low yield traffic. Low cost carriers can artificially jack up the numbers.. That's probably how it is in YYC. Now having said that, how is Ottawa doing with their FRA and LHR routes?

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I've always flown on AC to LAX and have liked it. Never taken AA down there so can't comment on them.
Okay.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 01:00 AM   #2128
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AC 033 ? The "LR" version...

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Old November 22nd, 2011, 07:42 AM   #2129
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What is the best way to get to the city from airport? Cab, bus, train?
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 09:48 PM   #2130
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 10:37 PM   #2131
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If it is a overseas flight I would take a cab. There is another option if you get on a Go buss and that will take you to YorkDale metro station. From yorkdale it would be another 15 minutes trip to downtown. The buss option will cost you 7-8 bucks including metro ticket, but you need to have Canadian money. The cab drivers that drive limo seem very nice to me. Having said that, you may have to tip them on top of that 50-60 bucks cab fare. Just so you get an idea. If you are in a hurry, cab is the way to go.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 03:27 AM   #2132
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What is the best way to get to the city from airport? Cab, bus, train?
If you're a masochist, there are also two TTC buses that go to the airport. The 58 will take you to Lawrence West station. The 192 "Airport Rocket" will take you to Kipling station. You will then transfer to the subway for the rest of your journey. I think both routes take just over an hour.

You can check your TTC options on their trip planner.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 05:22 AM   #2133
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Thank you.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 05:46 PM   #2134
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http://www.arabianbusiness.com/canad...at-431401.html

This was in the UAE aviation thread.

Canada - UAE call it quits over airline spat.

I can see an EK daily soon to YYZ.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 02:04 AM   #2135
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Here is the picture if their 747. Not bad at all for a Eastern European carrier.
Cuba - an Eastern European country ???
Are you a victim of a Canadian education system ???
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Old November 24th, 2011, 02:15 AM   #2136
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Cuba - an Eastern European country ???
Are you a victim of a Canadian education system ???
Since when was Transaero Cuban?
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Old November 24th, 2011, 04:43 AM   #2137
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Are you a victim of a Canadian education system ???
Pretty funny...

And which education systen are you a victim of? Transaero is a Russian carrier..
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Old November 25th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #2138
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from airlineroute.net, don't know if there is a new bilateral, or whether TK simply got temporary permission to add a 4th flight....

Turkish Airlines to Add 4th Weekly Toronto Service in S12
by JL
Update at 0820GMT 25NOV11

Turkish Airlines starting 25MAR12 is adding 4th weekly Istanbul – Toronto service, with new flight operating on Sundays. Reservation is now open.

Boeing 777-300ER aircraft operates this route.

Schedule:

TK017 IST1130 – 1540YYZ 77W x235
TK018 YYZ2250 – 1540+1IST 77W x235
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Old November 28th, 2011, 10:06 AM   #2139
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Near-collision at Pearson not such a rare event
Published On Sun Nov 27 2011
Toronto Star

It happens once a day on average in Canada: a plane or vehicle ends up on a runway where another plane is about to land or take off.

Collisions are usually averted with the help of air traffic control — but runway mishaps remain the leading cause of death in aviation worldwide.

Such a near-collision occurred at Toronto’s Pearson airport on Nov. 18, after an American Eagle commuter plane from Chicago had just landed and was driving down a taxiway.

An air traffic controller in a nearby tower instructed the plane’s pilots to “hold short” on the taxiway. An American Eagle pilot acknowledged the command to stop.

But for reasons that remain unclear, the plane continued to roll down the taxiway toward the edge of an active runway where an Air Canada Airbus A319 was accelerating for takeoff.

“Eagle 4125, STOP! STOP! STOP!” the tower controller called out, and the plane came to a halt at the edge of the runway, narrowly avoiding disaster.

Transportation Safety Board investigator Don Enns estimated the Air Canada plane was about 600 metres away from the American Eagle plane when it first took off from the ground.

The Aviation Herald, an incident-tracking website, quoted a witness saying there was less than 10 metres between the planes as the Airbus passed over top.

“We take these (types of incidents) very seriously,” said Enns, adding that he sent two staff to the runway that night to begin the investigation.

There were 3,831 runway incursions at Canadian airports between 1999 and 2008. In the past few years, numbers have remained high. From October 2010 through September 2011, there were 367 incursions on Canadian runways.

Most do not result in disaster — but the potential for catastrophe from incursions is high, given their frequency.

The worst runway incursion in aviation history remains the Tenerife disaster in 1977 when two Boeing 747’s collided at Los Rodeos Airport in the Canary Islands, resulting in 583 deaths.

In 2001, the International Civil Aviation Organization identified runway incursions as a major safety issue and made recommendations to improve aerodromes — the space where planes land, taxi and take off.

Since then, progress has been made to reduce the frequency of runway incursions. A number of airports worldwide have installed status light systems and stop bars in low-visibility areas on runways to reduce the chance of collision.

But runway incursions continue to occur in Canada and abroad for a number of reasons — confusion with runway layout, pilot fatigue, low runway visibility, poor communication with air traffic control and bad weather among them.

Captain Barry Wiszniowski, the chair of Air Canada Pilots Association’s flight safety division, said he was troubled by news of the Nov. 18 near-collision.

“It’s an extremely concerning event,” he said. “Hopefully fatigue was not a factor. It is something we are trying to address.”

The Air Line Pilots Association, the union representing American Eagle pilots, could not be reached for comment.

American Airlines spokeswoman Mary Frances Fagan said the company launched an “internal investigation” following the incident and planned to cooperate fully with the TSB investigation.

She would not comment on whether the American Eagle pilots involved will face disciplinary action if found at fault.

Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said his company understood that their crews “were doing what they were supposed to do” when the incursion happened.

The TSB investigation into the incident remains open.

“We’re trying to understand why,” said Investigator Don Enns. “There are stop lights out there. We’re talking to the (American Eagle) crew about how they were able to miss those lights.”

Enns added that incursions have happened at the same spot where the American Eagle plane jutted onto the runway — and the runway’s design could be a factor.

“It attracted our attention that this isn’t the first time,” he said.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 11:30 PM   #2140
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Does anyone have an update as to when Ethiopian will be starting service? I thought it was supposed to be December but it seems like it keeps getting delayed. All in all, a fairly disappointing year in terms of new airlines at Pearson, I would say.

On a side note, A&W is opening up in the domestic concourse at T1 where Roots used to be. The Paradies Shops are taking over that god-awful 'Destination Toronto' store at the bottom of the escalators, also in the domestic concourse, and Camden Food Co is taking over what used to Cafe Ritazza. I don't know what's happening in the US or international hammerhead, or in T3. Always disappoints me how poor the retail selection is at Pearson, especially when compared to much smaller, less international airports.
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