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Old November 27th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #3401
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They loose so much revenue due to the fact that a lot of Canadians like to travel to the USA to get on international flights due to them being cheaper.
Not to mention the millions of people who opt not to fly altogether. Air fare in Canada is extremely expensive. The government treats airports as their own private cash cow rather than an engine of economic growth. It's ass backwards.

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I think they need to take a page out of China's book where they allow a 72 hour visa free stay. I think that would appeal to more people. Plus saves a lot of time of paper work and money on paper.
Aren't US and Canadian visa requirements largely in line with one another due to work done since 9-11 to build a perimeter around both countries. It was a requirement if the border between the US and Canada was to remain fluid.

Wouldn't a 72 hour visa free stay cause issues for US/Canadian border organizations?
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Old November 27th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #3402
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The GTAA is looking at scrapping the original layout for the T1 expansions and focusing on a new Pier F-type Hammerhead into where the original T2 stood.
Wasn't that always the preferred option? And doesn't the Final Phase of expansion see Terminal 3 demolished and replaced with an expanded T1? I was under the impression that 20-30 years down the line we'll just have one mega terminal with a number of Pier F type Hammerheads.


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Old November 28th, 2013, 04:43 AM   #3403
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Are there any renderings? I've only been throurgh YYZ twice and it was all from the AC Int'l Pier to Domestic.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 07:33 AM   #3404
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Are there any renderings? I've only been throurgh YYZ twice and it was all from the AC Int'l Pier to Domestic.
This is from the original master plan from the GTAA website.

http://www.torontopearson.com/upload...Program(1).pdf

I assume this is now changing based on this discussion.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #3405
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Not to mention the millions of people who opt not to fly altogether. Air fare in Canada is extremely expensive. The government treats airports as their own private cash cow rather than an engine of economic growth. It's ass backwards.



Aren't US and Canadian visa requirements largely in line with one another due to work done since 9-11 to build a perimeter around both countries. It was a requirement if the border between the US and Canada was to remain fluid.

Wouldn't a 72 hour visa free stay cause issues for US/Canadian border organizations?
I agree on some points. My buddy told me that it cost him $15 to park in Buffalo airport for the weekend. Isn't it like $20/hour to park in YYZ parking lot? I am sure it is at least $15.
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Old November 29th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #3406
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I agree on some points. My buddy told me that it cost him $15 to park in Buffalo airport for the weekend. Isn't it like $20/hour to park in YYZ parking lot? I am sure it is at least $15.
This is incorrect.

BUF parking rates range from $9/day to $23/day depending on the lot.
source: http://parking.buffaloairport.com/

YYZ parking rates range from $15/day to $28/day depending on the lot used.
source: http://torontopearson.com/en/parking/#

However if you parked for a full day in the Express Park which is designed ONLY for drop-off/pick-ups they will charge you $90/day @ YYZ.
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Old November 29th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #3407
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Interesting note from yyzhyd over on UT (he never posts here anymore! - if you're listening, please join us again).

The GTAA is looking at scrapping the original layout for the T1 expansions and focusing on a new Pier F-type Hammerhead into where the original T2 stood. Star Alliance will keep Pier F, and all non-aligned international carriers (including SkyTeam) will take the new pier. I like this more - and hopefully it's an architecturall stunning pier. Pier F can be remodeled to truly be AC-focused, especially in their endeavour to turn Toronto into a major global hub.
I'm back... been busy travelling all over the globe... stay tuned for DXB, HYD, BOM trip report soon.

I hope to share more exciting news about YYZ soon... like HU going daily to YYZ from both PEK and PVG in S14 w/788s
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Old November 29th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #3408
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I'm back... been busy travelling all over the globe... stay tuned for DXB, HYD, BOM trip report soon.

I hope to share more exciting news about YYZ soon... like HU going daily to YYZ from both PEK and PVG in S14 w/788s
Awesome!

Good news for Hainan. I read that earlier and it's good to see capacity growth on TPAC routes from YYZ. I also heard Air China is seeking approval for the PVG route; do you know anything about that?
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Old November 29th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #3409
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Awesome!

Good news for Hainan. I read that earlier and it's good to see capacity growth on TPAC routes from YYZ. I also heard Air China is seeking approval for the PVG route; do you know anything about that?
China's current policy is 1 Chinese carrier per city pair, so HU has a stranglehold on PEK-YYZ and will be going Daily in S14.
HU is also eager exploit this policy to start PVG-YYZ which would lock out CA, CZ, MU from operating the route and give them a nice foothold into YYZ from two of the three major Chinese centres.
I know CA wants to do PVG-YYZ but doesn't have any 788s delivered and cannot spare any 77Ws.
With CZ also receiving 788s, they may start CAN-YYZ in the future which could effectively lock out the Chinese "flag carrier" from Toronto.
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Old November 29th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #3410
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China's current policy is 1 Chinese carrier per city pair, so HU has a stranglehold on PEK-YYZ and will be going Daily in S14.
HU is also eager exploit this policy to start PVG-YYZ which would lock out CA, CZ, MU from operating the route and give them a nice foothold into YYZ from two of the three major Chinese centres.
I know CA wants to do PVG-YYZ but doesn't have any 788s delivered and cannot spare any 77Ws.
With CZ also receiving 788s, they may start CAN-YYZ in the future which could effectively lock out the Chinese "flag carrier" from Toronto.
Interesting.. I had no idea about that Chinese policy (always wondered why their airlines have to seek government approval to fly a route).

It will be interesting to see the dynamics in the Chinese market once they deregulate, which is bound to happen.
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Old November 30th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #3411
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The policy exists: however, CA is often exempt. CA operates flights from PVG to MEL and SYD which comes in direct competition to MU flights.
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 06:14 AM   #3412
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All I know is, Air China has applied for YYZ-PVG, as has Hainan.

http://centreforaviation.com/profile...al-airport-yyz

I'm guessing an exemption will be made.
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 05:34 PM   #3413
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All I know is, Air China has applied for YYZ-PVG, as has Hainan.

http://centreforaviation.com/profile...al-airport-yyz

I'm guessing an exemption will be made.
The article states that CA wants to use their 77Ws on the route.
I wonder which existing route would be effected as they only have 14 or 15 77W frames and they're well utilized to 11 destinations:
USA: LAX IAH JFK
Europe: FRA LHR SVO MUC CDG ARN
Asia/Australia: SYD NRT
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 07:36 AM   #3414
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The article states that CA wants to use their 77Ws on the route.
I wonder which existing route would be effected as they only have 14 or 15 77W frames and they're well utilized to 11 destinations:
USA: LAX IAH JFK
Europe: FRA LHR SVO MUC CDG ARN
Asia/Australia: SYD NRT
The only one out of that list I could see being down-gauged would be MUC. I can't see any of the others being affected. But that's just my opinion. Unless they've ordered more 77W's that we're unaware of?
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As an aside, the Burberry, Coach, Longchamp, and Victoria's Secret boutiques are all now open in T1 Hammerhead. Not sure if Bvlgari is open yet and I'm pretty sure Ferragamo, Montblanc, Omega, and Gucci aren't yet either. Talk about going from zero to 100 in 3 seconds for retail at Pearson. 'Bout friggin' time!
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As an aside, the Burberry, Coach, Longchamp, and Victoria's Secret boutiques are all now open in T1 Hammerhead. Not sure if Bvlgari is open yet and I'm pretty sure Ferragamo, Montblanc, Omega, and Gucci aren't yet either. Talk about going from zero to 100 in 3 seconds for retail at Pearson. 'Bout friggin' time!

Agreed! Even the food offerings have improved by leaps & bounds.

With Howard Eng back in Canada and running Pearson after a very successful
stint as the Executive Director of Airport Operations at HKG from 1995-2012.

His stated goal is to make YYZ the premier gateway in North America.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 06:40 PM   #3417
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It's very interesting watching the new Pearson unfold under Howard Eng. It seems the old boy's club previously running the airport was afflicted with the oh so typical Canadian lethargy when it comes to innovations/expansion/creativity.

ACT7: I had no idea Gucci/Montblanc/Ferragamo etc are also opening. That's more luxury retail than Bloor.
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Canada and Panama have expanded their bilateral air agreement.....from today's press release....

http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1273...t-relationship
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Westjet has painted one of their 737-800s in a special Disney scheme, and the aircraft is now in service...definitely one to keep an eye out for when spotting at YYZ......rumoured to be headed this way for the first time on Thursday...

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It's very interesting watching the new Pearson unfold under Howard Eng. It seems the old boy's club previously running the airport was afflicted with the oh so typical Canadian lethargy when it comes to innovations/expansion/creativity.

ACT7: I had no idea Gucci/Montblanc/Ferragamo etc are also opening. That's more luxury retail than Bloor.
It's pretty crazy, I agree. And that's just T1. T3 will undoubtedly go through a similar transformation, given that's where Saudia is flying into.

Looking at all the restaurants opening too, I would argue that Pearson will be in the top 5 in the world within the next two years with respect to food offerings.

Credit also has to be given squarely to Pamela Griffith-Jones. She's the one who began this massive initiative and saw the value in retail within the airport.
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