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Old March 4th, 2014, 04:55 AM   #3501
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Hainan never loaded PVG YYZ sked in the GDS nor open reservations.
That may be true up to now, but we have seen enough detailed information, including flight numbers and times, from multiple online sources, that it seems pretty likely that HU are indeed planning PVG-YYZ flights...and if this is happening, there should be an official announcement soon.......
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:32 AM   #3502
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That may be true up to now, but we have seen enough detailed information, including flight numbers and times, from multiple online sources, that it seems pretty likely that HU are indeed planning PVG-YYZ flights...and if this is happening, there should be an official announcement soon.......
If HU opens PVG YYZ, that probably means PEK YYZ may be reduced to 5 weekly.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:14 AM   #3503
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If HU opens PVG YYZ, that probably means PEK YYZ may be reduced to 5 weekly.
No, PEK-YYZ is still scheduled to go daily.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:31 AM   #3504
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TK doesn't have any 4PM departures ex-YYZ. You might have seen a delayed departure from previous day or a frame that went tech.



I am referring to the summer peak months. They have much shorter total travel time for my trip, so they have to be departing earlier.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:50 AM   #3505
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Lufthansa group hahaha.

Their government officials always like to make some controversial statements that us Serbs and Turks should no find our way in the EU...I also think that it was a huge embarrassment for Europe when Etihad purchased the airline (JU) that European leaders tried to destroy, and even bomb their fleet during 1999.

For those reasons I never liked flying OS and LH. I could have flown with them for cheaper, but I decided to pay up and fly TK. Also I think there is quite a few Canadians and Americans visiting Turkey.

God bless muslim brothers from TK/EY/EK/QR.


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AC just lately made a profit here, and there after massive loses year on year, and the LH alliance is more about feeding pax to FRA, and MUC for big brother LH.

Let's see what happens when the ME's three Amigo's, plus Turkish get more slots in Canada, and a massive expansion in the United States.

Don't forget LH is also getting stiff competition on it's own turf at home. Etihad's tie up with Air Berlin won't do LH any favors, and EK will sooner, than later flood Germany, and Switzerland with A380's. Austria, and Belgium could also see EK SJs.

EY will also give LH a hard time if the Alitalia deal goes through.

Try to picture what the scenario will look like in five to ten years from now?

Chinese, and Asian airlines will also give AC still competition on the Trans Pacific sector.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:47 PM   #3506
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If HU opens PVG YYZ, that probably means PEK YYZ may be reduced to 5 weekly.
Why would you think so? Except for ORD and YYZ, HU's international network is primarily served via their 16 A330s

HU currently has 3 -A346s and 6 - B788s (1 more in Mar 2014)
Eventually they will have 10 788s in total.

On 13+ hr flights you need ~4 frames to operate daily.
PEK-ORD is currently 2 x weekly which can be handled with 2 B788s.
PEK-YYZ is planned for daily which would use 4 B788s
PVG-YYZ is planned at 2x weekly which could be covered with 2 A346s

So that would leave 1 B788 and 1 A346 probably operating domestically/regionally sectors and available for ORD/YYZ in case a frame goes tech.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #3507
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Why would you think so? Except for ORD and YYZ, HU's international network is primarily served via their 16 A330s

HU currently has 3 -A346s and 6 - B788s (1 more in Mar 2014)
Eventually they will have 10 788s in total.

On 13+ hr flights you need ~4 frames to operate daily.
PEK-ORD is currently 2 x weekly which can be handled with 2 B788s.
PEK-YYZ is planned for daily which would use 4 B788s
PVG-YYZ is planned at 2x weekly which could be covered with 2 A346s

So that would leave 1 B788 and 1 A346 probably operating domestically/regionally sectors and available for ORD/YYZ in case a frame goes tech.
You might want to check your info again.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #3508
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On 13+ hr flights you need ~4 frames to operate daily. PEK-ORD is currently 2 x weekly which can be handled with 2 B788s. PEK-YYZ is planned for daily which would use 4 B788s PVG-YYZ is planned at 2x weekly which could be covered with 2 A346s So that would leave 1 B788 and 1 A346 probably operating domestically/regionally sectors and available for ORD/YYZ in case a frame goes tech.
Where did you get you information??? 4 frames to operate 13+ hour flights??? To operate PEK-ORD 2 x weekly this would require 1 frame not 2... PEK-YYZ to operate daily requires 2 frames with a maximum of 3 (spare), PVG-YYZ 2 x weekly again 1 frame.

A perfect example of QF A380 routes
12 x A380's
QF1 SYD-DXB-LHR Daily = 3 frames
QF9 MEL-DXB-LHR Daily = 3 frames
QF11 SYD-LAX Daily = 2 frames
QF93 MEL-LAX = 2 frames
QF127 SYD-HKG Daily = 1 frame
QF107 SYD-LAX Twice weekly = 1 frame
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #3509
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jimyvr & EK413 of course those are very generous allocations (i.e. doubled)
I was trying to make a point that there would be no reason for HU to reduce a daily PEK-YYZ flight just because they are starting a 2x weekly PVG-YYZ as was asserted by jimyvr.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #3510
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jimyvr & EK413 of course those are very generous allocations (i.e. doubled)
I was trying to make a point that there would be no reason for HU to reduce a daily PEK-YYZ flight just because they are starting a 2x weekly PVG-YYZ as was asserted by jimyvr.
You still forgot the fact that HU has started 787 service to SEA and will begin BOS service from 20JUN14.

By July 2014, Hainan operates:

1 daily Toronto
1 daily Seattle
4 weekly Boston
4 weekly Chicago

All with 787. And the A340-600 is leaving.
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Old March 9th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #3511
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Looks like Hainan will be introducing the 788 on the PEK-YYZ route earlier than expected...now showing effective March 31...

http://airlineroute.net/2014/03/09/hu-america-s14/
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Old March 14th, 2014, 07:05 AM   #3512
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 09:19 PM   #3513
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Sweet!

Btw I spent about half an hour on Carlingview drive on Friday morning. This was my very very first time spotting in the morning, and I loved it. I really wanted to know how my L lens would do or perform in the colder climate.

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I would say not a bad trip just to try this location.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 05:24 AM   #3514
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Top 10 Canadian airports' passenger numbers for 2013, with percentage change from 2012, posted by middeljohn at SSP.....Toronto showing strength with 36.1 million passengers last year through Pearson, plus another 2.3 million through Billy Bishop...


1 Toronto Pearson International Airport - 36,109,469 +3.4%
2 Vancouver International Airport - 17,971,883 +2.1%
3 Calgary International Airport - 14,314,364 +4.9%
4 Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport - 14,095,272 +2.1%
5 Edmonton International Airport Edmonton - 6,983,229 +4.6%
6 Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport - 4,578,591 -2.3%
7 Halifax Stanfield International Airport - 3,585,864 -0.5%
8 Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson Intl Airport - 3,483,898 -1.5%
9 Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport - 2,300,000 +0.0%
10 Victoria International Airport - 1,556,960 +1.2%
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Old March 26th, 2014, 05:59 AM   #3515
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I guess Billy Bishop will remain stuck at 0% since growth is capped unless things change at the airport one way or another.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 05:51 AM   #3516
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So basically Pearson handles more passengers than any combination of two of the next three biggest airports combined. And it handles more international pax than all three of the next biggest, combined.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 06:07 AM   #3517
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What with Ottawa? Looks like they maxed out their potential?
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Old March 28th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #3518
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I would think that this is highly unlikely, but Turkmenistan Airlines have announced they are planning on flights to YYZ...

http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Turkmeni...CHMTM4NDE4NC80

afaik, there is no current bilateral air agreement between Canada and Turkmenistan...
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Old March 28th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #3519
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I would think that this is highly unlikely, but Turkmenistan Airlines have announced they are planning on flights to YYZ...

http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Turkmeni...CHMTM4NDE4NC80

afaik, there is no current bilateral air agreement between Canada and Turkmenistan...
I wonder though if the service between Ashgabat and Toronto will involve a stopover enroute, given the distance between the two cities... and if Turkmenistan Air will start codeshare services too with Air Canada to provide more connections out of Pearson.
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Old March 29th, 2014, 03:53 AM   #3520
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What with Ottawa? Looks like they maxed out their potential?
Its called govt cut backs: Significant reductions in air travel by fed civil servants, more redundancies every year of civil servants, and for many no significant pay rises for many years.

Compare with Edmonton with the energy industry and all the people coming and going who work in northern Alberta.
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