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Old July 25th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #3681
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I don't ever remember reading Air China having plans for YUL. Either way, I'm pretty sure YYZ would happen long before YUL.
This is the article I read about Air China's expansion plans with their new 789s :

https://login.flightglobal.com/?Retu...-north-400271/

Unfortunately to read it you must now sign in to flightglobal, but there's no mention of YYZ services, the only thing it mentions about Canada is, "Air China continues to study secondary cities in North America such as Montreal".
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Old July 26th, 2014, 10:45 AM   #3682
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guys... i am going to ask a rather silly question but hope someone will be patient enough to explain it to me.

Why cant 9W operate directly to Toronto rather than operating via Brussels with their 77W?
I asked someone whether it is possible to operate direct flights from DAC to YYZ with a 77W and they said according to ETOPS its not possible.

Also how does AI operate Delhi to Chicago? The distance between Delhi and Chicago is higher than Delhi and Toronto
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Old July 26th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #3683
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guys... i am going to ask a rather silly question but hope someone will be patient enough to explain it to me.

Why cant 9W operate directly to Toronto rather than operating via Brussels with their 77W?
I asked someone whether it is possible to operate direct flights from DAC to YYZ with a 77W and they said according to ETOPS its not possible
To be honest, I am not entirely sure as to why 9W doesn't operate non-stop to YYZ, but if I were to guess, I would say that they are also targeting Brussels passengers along with Delhi bound passengers, although I'm not sure if they have the rights to carry people between BRU and DEL on their YYZ flight.

In other news, Copa Airlines is increasing from 4 to 5 weekly flights on November 10th!

http://airlineroute.net/2014/07/26/cm-w14update1/
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Old July 27th, 2014, 09:01 AM   #3684
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guys... i am going to ask a rather silly question but hope someone will be patient enough to explain it to me.

Why cant 9W operate directly to Toronto rather than operating via Brussels with their 77W?
I asked someone whether it is possible to operate direct flights from DAC to YYZ with a 77W and they said according to ETOPS its not possible.

Also how does AI operate Delhi to Chicago? The distboundance between Delhi and Chicago is higher than Delhi and Toronto
They after all sorts of markets... When I flew out of terminal one the last time, I saw quite a few BRU bound passengers on board. They also work with other European airlines to get some feed in Brussels.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #3685
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When is the best time to snag some pictures of AC's 787? LHR and NHD arrivals?
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Old July 28th, 2014, 04:02 AM   #3686
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Insane Action for One Hour (July 27 / 4:45-5:45pm)

Lets start off first with "Polish Pride"... She was heading over Peterborough and Kawartas..

"Polska" on the way from Warsaw.

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Her wings part one
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Her wings part two
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LOT logo as crisp as it gets...
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Old July 28th, 2014, 04:09 AM   #3687
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Finally AC 787. Got him!

Heading from Tokyo Naneda, passing Tobermory on its final.

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As crisp as it gets. It was a pleasure to snag her! Now Lets continues with the big boys from Europe.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #3688
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B747 Air France

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3 The belly..

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Lufthansa B747

I only had time to grab one photo of this one.

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Air Canada's triple seven can not be avoided.

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Old July 28th, 2014, 04:28 AM   #3689
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Got a few upclose pictures of AC Rouge. This one was heading from Athens.
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AC from Istanbul...

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Aer Lingus from Dublin

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AC A330 from ??

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Some random Biz jet

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an other

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WestJet 737NG

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Air Transat is still flying their A310s

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That is it for now. It was a very entertaining one hour.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 05:42 AM   #3690
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Great photos! Thanks for sharing. As for the AC A333 in your pictures I believe it arrived from YUL as the continuation from Geneva.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 06:03 AM   #3691
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Great photos! Thanks for sharing. As for the AC A333 in your pictures I believe it arrived from YUL as the continuation from Geneva.
I am fairly sure that was it. I do recall one gentleman asking us where she was heading from. That's a decent size of a plane for a small Geneva airport.
Good eye!
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Old July 28th, 2014, 06:25 AM   #3692
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Btw Air Canada and Turkish both were two hours behind the schedule.... I wonder what went on in IST......
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Old July 28th, 2014, 07:32 PM   #3693
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guys... i am going to ask a rather silly question but hope someone will be patient enough to explain it to me.

Why cant 9W operate directly to Toronto rather than operating via Brussels with their 77W?
I asked someone whether it is possible to operate direct flights from DAC to YYZ with a 77W and they said according to ETOPS its not possible.

Also how does AI operate Delhi to Chicago? The distance between Delhi and Chicago is higher than Delhi and Toronto
9W CAN indeed fly non-stop to North America from India. However in order to provide additional coverage on both ends they use BRU as a scissor hub. Flights from BOM and DEL in India arrive in Brussels close together and BOM pax can then switch onto the DEL-BRU-YYZ or DEL pax onto the BOM-BRU-EWR bound flight and vice versa on the return flights.

I think the 787s are better suited for a DAC-YYZ flight than the B77Ws anyway. Not sure about the ETOPS restriction you've mentioned however.

AI actually operates AI126/127 as HYD-DEL-ORD as there is a large HYD community in ORD (and YYZ too actually). AI stopping YYZ service had more to do with economics than the ability of the aircraft. The planes were full but with deeply discounted fare pax.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:47 AM   #3694
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This is the article I read about Air China's expansion plans with their new 789s :

https://login.flightglobal.com/?Retu...-north-400271/

Unfortunately to read it you must now sign in to flightglobal, but there's no mention of YYZ services, the only thing it mentions about Canada is, "Air China continues to study secondary cities in North America such as Montreal".
Air China considers Montreal a secondary city? I suppose to Air Canada, Beijing is a secondary city, but it still sounds odd.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #3695
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Air China considers Montreal a secondary city? I suppose to Air Canada, Beijing is a secondary city, but it still sounds odd.
I would also consider Montreal a secondary city within a North American context.

Toronto is Canada's only primary city in NA.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:35 PM   #3696
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I would also consider Montreal a secondary city within a North American context.

Toronto is Canada's only primary city in NA.
Completely agree with you on that. And certainly by any Asian airline definition, Montreal would be considered a secondary city, so context is important here. I'm sure Air France considers Montreal a primary city. Overall though, yes, YYZ would really be the only primary city in Canada. Even with all the added international service at YUL over the past few years, growth has been virtually flat, which really only tells me that new entrants are just splitting the same sized pie, not growing it.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 02:48 AM   #3698
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Completely agree with you on that. And certainly by any Asian airline definition, Montreal would be considered a secondary city, so context is important here. I'm sure Air France considers Montreal a primary city. Overall though, yes, YYZ would really be the only primary city in Canada. Even with all the added international service at YUL over the past few years, growth has been virtually flat, which really only tells me that new entrants are just splitting the same sized pie, not growing it.
Couldn't agree more. For Air China, and as mentioned previously a "North American context", Montreal would be a secondary city. But I also wouldn't say that international growth has been virtually flat, there has been some growth, even if just a little in YUL. I'm sure the new airlines that launched service there in 2014 did produce some sort of new traffic.
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Couldn't agree more. For Air China, and as mentioned previously a "North American context", Montreal would be a secondary city. But I also wouldn't say that international growth has been virtually flat, there has been some growth, even if just a little in YUL. I'm sure the new airlines that launched service there in 2014 did produce some sort of new traffic.
As of April (the latest figures for YUL), international pax growth has been 0.9% compared to 2013. In real numbers that's only a little under 16K. If you go back to 2011, it's only been 1.2% overall growth since then, or about 22K. So, yes, technically, you're correct that it's been marginal at best, but in the grand scheme of things, that's relatively flat. I'd have to go back and see how much new service was added since then, but either way, that doesn't scream primary city.
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As of April (the latest figures for YUL), international pax growth has been 0.9% compared to 2013. In real numbers that's only a little under 16K. If you go back to 2011, it's only been 1.2% overall growth since then, or about 22K. So, yes, technically, you're correct that it's been marginal at best, but in the grand scheme of things, that's relatively flat. I'd have to go back and see how much new service was added since then, but either way, that doesn't scream primary city.

If my memory serves me right, the only new airlines that started service to YUL were the 3 that launched service this year, Copa Airlines, Syphax Airlines and Turkish Airlines. And yes it is still relatively small growth, which is not enough to consider it a primary city in North America.
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