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Old February 4th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #3881
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36.1 MM. 2014 should be over 38 MM, but yah they're taking their sweet time releasing the stats. The GTAA is always slow with this.
Thanks for your reply. I guess GRU Airport (main airport serving Sao Paulo, Brazil) has probably surpassed YYZ in terms of passenger traffic in 2014:

GRU 2013: 35,9M
GRU 2014: 39,5M

Let's see the figures for YYZ in 2014.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #3882
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Thanks for your reply. I guess GRU Airport (main airport serving Sao Paulo, Brazil) has probably surpassed YYZ in terms of passenger traffic in 2014:

GRU 2013: 35,9M
GRU 2014: 39,5M

Let's see the figures for YYZ in 2014.
Wow, that's a big jump for GRU. Looks like they would have passed YYZ, yes. Their website doesn't seem to be working in English but I'd be curious to know how much GRU growth was domestic vs international.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 10:21 AM   #3883
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Wow, that's a big jump for GRU. Looks like they would have passed YYZ, yes. Their website doesn't seem to be working in English but I'd be curious to know how much GRU growth was domestic vs international.
Some figures for GRU:

2013

Domestic: 23,438,000
International: 12,524,000
Total: 35,962,000

2014

Domestic: 25,956,000 (+10,74%)
International: 13,581,000 (+8,43%)
Total: 39,537,000 (+9,94%)

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Old February 7th, 2015, 03:40 PM   #3884
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GRU is less heavily weighted towards international passengers while YYZ is almost 50% international traffic. I guess that's to be expected with 200 million people in Brazil. With 39.5 million PAX GRU has a shot at the top 30.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 03:50 PM   #3885
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Air Canada proposes 787-9 schedule for August-October 2015:

eff 04AUG15 Toronto – Vancouver until 31AUG15
AC169 YYZ1300 – 1456YVR 789 D
AC100 YVR1630 – 2352YYZ 789 D

eff 01SEP15 Toronto – Munich until 24OCT15
AC846 YYZ2025 – 1005+1MUC 789 D
AC847 MUC1530 – 1810YYZ 789 D

eff 02SEP15 Toronto – Milan Malpensa until 23OCT15
AC894 YYZ2110 – 1110+1MXP 789 x24
AC895 MXP1255 – 1555YYZ 789 x35

23SEP15 Toronto – Tel Aviv one-off service, return on 24SEP15. 787-9 is now appearing in AC inventory
AC084 YYZ2330 – 1705+1TLV 789
AC085 TLV2355 – 0445+1YYZ 789

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/08/ac-789-s15update1/

These are not yet available for booking, but interesting nonetheless. So AC 787-9 routes currently consist of YYZ-YVR/MUC/MXP/DEL/DXB/TLV (one-off). Going to be an exciting 2015!
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Old February 11th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #3886
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SkyGreece are now planning BUD-YYZ, in addition to ATH-YYZ and ZAG-YYZ...

http://hungarytoday.hu/cikk/greek-ai...r-flight-72919
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Old February 12th, 2015, 04:21 AM   #3887
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SkyGreece are now planning BUD-YYZ, in addition to ATH-YYZ and ZAG-YYZ...

http://hungarytoday.hu/cikk/greek-ai...r-flight-72919
How are they going to manage this? That will be 7 weekly flights to Canada as of May 23rd, then 8 weekly from late June... With one plane? Unless they're getting another one before then.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 08:11 AM   #3888
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From now on I have decided to include John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport in this thread as well, since a new yet-to-launch Canadian ultra low cost carrier is expected to use that airport as a hub with flights to various destinations within the US/Canada.

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Old February 12th, 2015, 11:54 PM   #3889
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I wish this new airline all the best. Saying this in a positive demeanor.

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Old February 13th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #3890
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From now on I have decided to include John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport in this thread as well, since a new yet-to-launch Canadian ultra low cost carrier is expected to use that airport as a hub with flights to various destinations within the US/Canada.

Jetlines

It's interesting that this airline will have a hub in Hamilton that is smaller (but a formidable jump off point for the East Coast) compared to its main hub in Vancouver. I wonder what aircraft types it will operate, and how many aircraft will be assigned to Hamilton... perhaps the next thing is, expand its service to have Hamilton-Oakland or Winnipeg-Oakland. And, why is there no flight being proposed for Hamilton-Montreal (when there will be one to Ottawa, which is much shorter)?
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Old February 13th, 2015, 03:02 AM   #3891
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It's interesting that this airline will have a hub in Hamilton that is smaller (but a formidable jump off point for the East Coast) compared to its main hub in Vancouver. I wonder what aircraft types it will operate, and how many aircraft will be assigned to Hamilton... perhaps the next thing is, expand its service to have Hamilton-Oakland or Winnipeg-Oakland. And, why is there no flight being proposed for Hamilton-Montreal (when there will be one to Ottawa, which is much shorter)?
Why did they publish their route map *now*? Their already existing competitors AC and WS will do what they can to kill Jetlines in the crib.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 03:14 AM   #3892
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I know, right? It can give the airline and its flyers momentum on where it will fly to. Not to mention, it being an ultra-LCC could beat the other carriers by lower flight costs. The main danger of its operation could be compromised service, especially when flight delays come in and workers getting poor pay.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 07:04 AM   #3893
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I know, right? It can give the airline and its flyers momentum on where it will fly to. Not to mention, it being an ultra-LCC could beat the other carriers by lower flight costs. The main danger of its operation could be compromised service, especially when flight delays come in and workers getting poor pay.
There are always rumours about Southwest entering the Canadian market. If Jetlines does manage to stay afloat, perhaps it might encourage them to use YHM as their base of operations for Toronto as it would most likely have lower governmental fees compared to YYZ. Several LCC in the past have tried using YHM, but have floundered. Hopefully now that there is reliable transit from the airport to downtown Hamilton with connections to points beyond and with the improved road access getting to and from the airport shouldn't be as problematic and encourage more use.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 08:19 AM   #3894
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I know, right? It can give the airline and its flyers momentum on where it will fly to.
No it doesn't. Releasing its route map so far ahead of its first flight will invite AC and WS to slash fares on its existing routes, even run a loss, in order to strangle Jetlines when it's still young.

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Not to mention, it being an ultra-LCC could beat the other carriers by lower flight costs. The main danger of its operation could be compromised service, especially when flight delays come in and workers getting poor pay.
I'm not sure where their lower costs come from. Its aircraft leasing fees are higher than AC and WS due to its low bargaining power. I sure hope its maintenance costs aren't any lower. Ironically, its fuel costs will be lower in the short term, as AC and WS surely hedged their costs when they were higher. And AC and WS have seriously controlled their labour costs in recent years. It's smart to use YHM as its main base, but using YVR instead of YXX is strange.

There probably is room for an ultra-LCC in Canada, given the existence of an ultra-LCC in similar Australia. But Tiger Air had ample start-up capital and experience from Singapore Airlines, which isn't the case for Jetlines.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 04:44 PM   #3895
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Tiger Australia was an absolute disaster which ended up being unprecedentally grounded by Australian regulators due to safety issues. Showed that its parent cannot run LCCs and destroyed their brand in the process.

As long as unions keep the crew costs high in Canada, ultra LCCs will not take off in the country, and this new airline will be another Jetsgo.

However, I'm not surprised that any LCC attempt will steer clear from Pearson, the most expensive airport in the world to use.
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Did we already know about this?

http://www.traveldailynews.com/news/...oosts-links-to

Skygreece is starting BUD-YYZ in May, twice weekly.
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It also looks like Turkmenistan Airlines is one step closer to YYZ. They're saying a route to Ashgabat and Riga this year.

http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/goo...ss/?doc=102426
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There are always rumours about Southwest entering the Canadian market. If Jetlines does manage to stay afloat, perhaps it might encourage them to use YHM as their base of operations for Toronto as it would most likely have lower governmental fees compared to YYZ. Several LCC in the past have tried using YHM, but have floundered. Hopefully now that there is reliable transit from the airport to downtown Hamilton with connections to points beyond and with the improved road access getting to and from the airport shouldn't be as problematic and encourage more use.
How about integrating GO Transit to and from YHM to connect all the way to at least Mississauga, if not all the way to YYZ or Downtown Toronto? It will definitely improve connectivity once this is done, and it will give the GTA a strong alternative airport to YYZ and YTZ. If not, boost the image of Hamilton by having a strong business center to attract more businesses and services to the area by investing more in infrastructure, giving tax breaks to new local businesses, and ensuring that Hamilton has connectivity to and from its airport everyday.

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No it doesn't. Releasing its route map so far ahead of its first flight will invite AC and WS to slash fares on its existing routes, even run a loss, in order to strangle Jetlines when it's still young.
It will give flyers ideas though of where it flies so that they can be prepared once it becomes fully operational. And with it flying out of a smaller airport, it will allow them to nurture its base while looking out for competition from AC and WS, among others.

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I'm not sure where their lower costs come from. Its aircraft leasing fees are higher than AC and WS due to its low bargaining power. I sure hope its maintenance costs aren't any lower. Ironically, its fuel costs will be lower in the short term, as AC and WS surely hedged their costs when they were higher. And AC and WS have seriously controlled their labour costs in recent years. It's smart to use YHM as its main base, but using YVR instead of YXX is strange.

There probably is room for an ultra-LCC in Canada, given the existence of an ultra-LCC in similar Australia. But Tiger Air had ample start-up capital and experience from Singapore Airlines, which isn't the case for Jetlines.
Hmmm... who funds Jetlines' operations, and what will be its initial fleet like?

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It also looks like Turkmenistan Airlines is one step closer to YYZ. They're saying a route to Ashgabat and Riga this year.

http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/goo...ss/?doc=102426
Ah... it reminds me of Uzbekistan Airlines using Riga as a stopover for its JFK-TAS service. I am so looking forward to this direct service so that I can visit Latvia soon.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 12:18 AM   #3899
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How about integrating GO Transit to and from YHM to connect all the way to at least Mississauga, if not all the way to YYZ or Downtown Toronto? It will definitely improve connectivity once this is done, and it will give the GTA a strong alternative airport to YYZ and YTZ. If not, boost the image of Hamilton by having a strong business center to attract more businesses and services to the area by investing more in infrastructure, giving tax breaks to new local businesses, and ensuring that Hamilton has connectivity to and from its airport everyday.
Hamilton and the province won't invest billions of dollars for the sake of improving the viability of YHM as the hub of an LCC. It *does* face the challenges common to all rust belt industrial cities, though.

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It will give flyers ideas though of where it flies so that they can be prepared once it becomes fully operational. And with it flying out of a smaller airport, it will allow them to nurture its base while looking out for competition from AC and WS, among others.
AC has already responded by launching YHM-YYC, and YYZ-YXX:
http://www.thestar.com/business/econ...e-carrier.html

And given AC's record profits, it can afford to run these routes at a temporary loss in order to kill an upstart and avoid long term problems.

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Hmmm... who funds Jetlines' operations, and what will be its initial fleet like?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle22904425/
Doesn't look promising.

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Ah... it reminds me of Uzbekistan Airlines using Riga as a stopover for its JFK-TAS service. I am so looking forward to this direct service so that I can visit Latvia soon.
YYZ is surprisingly diverse. Most US cities of Toronto's size have far fewer foreign exotic airlines.
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YYZ is surprisingly diverse. Most US cities of Toronto's size have far fewer foreign exotic airlines.
Looking at population alone doesn't always give one a clear indication of a city's status, reach, make up, or influence. Look at Amsterdam. It only has 2 million in its metro but it's a big international centre and one of Europe's main gateway cities.

Toronto may have roughly the same population (6-10 million range) as Dallas, Chicago, or Atlanta, but it's not a regional centre like those cities are. It's a global centre and one of the most international places on earth with a whopping 54% of the population foreign born. Not even London (37%) or New York (36%) come close by that metric.

Pearson and JFK are the only airports in north America that serve all 6 continents. Pearson (17,797,569) is also #2 in north America after JFK (21,596,225) in international passenger traffic.
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