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Old October 18th, 2007, 11:55 PM   #461
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A319, I'm fail to be amazed by its range.
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Old October 19th, 2007, 12:57 AM   #462
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Well more direct service from Pearson.. That's always good!
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Old October 19th, 2007, 03:42 AM   #463
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Just read that Egyptair is to join Star Alliance. This may bode well for YYZ sooner than later, especially since Egyptair already has Toronto on their radar for expansion. Any thoughts?
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Old October 19th, 2007, 11:35 PM   #464
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Czech Airlines will NOT cancel their flights to Toronto in summer 2008 - just spoke to someone from there. Apparently, they seriously considered it but decided to keep the flight.
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Old October 20th, 2007, 01:47 AM   #465
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hey Filip, good news regarding OK....will they be keeping YUL as well?
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Old October 20th, 2007, 02:09 AM   #466
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Air Canada starting Kuwait flights via foreign carrier

FYI...
I know which carrier... any guesses from the "experts" on SSC?

Except:
"Air Canada plans to introduce flights to Kuwait through a "code-sharing" arrangement that provides seats on a foreign carrier. The Canadian Transportation Agency approved Air Canada's licence application for passenger and cargo service to the Persian Gulf country. No launch date has been set for the flights, as the Montreal-based airline must finalize partnership details..."

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Old October 20th, 2007, 04:17 AM   #467
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Kuwait Airways?
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Old October 20th, 2007, 06:25 AM   #468
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I would say LH.....
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Old October 20th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #469
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hey Filip, good news regarding OK....will they be keeping YUL as well?
I do not know about YUL.. Considering the chicness of dropping YUL I wouldn't be surprised.

Regarding Kuwait... I'm not really sure... It's a bugger definitely. Could it be Kuwait Airways?

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Old October 21st, 2007, 12:57 AM   #470
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I would say LH.....
Close...
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Old October 21st, 2007, 01:02 AM   #471
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Winter 2008 Schedule as per Amadeus
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KL 691...dep AMS 1330.....arr YYZ 1550
KL 692...dep YYZ 1815.....arr AMS 0730+1

All flights operated with a Boeing B777-200.
Frequency is daily

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KL 695...dep AMS 1810.....arr YYZ 2025
KL 696...dep YYZ 2220.....arr AMS 1135+1

All flights operated with a Boeing B777-200.
Frequency is 2x week....every Fri and Sun.
FYI
KLM has made an equipment change for next Summer... both flights will be operated by B772ERs.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 01:11 AM   #472
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SWISS?
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Old October 21st, 2007, 05:26 AM   #473
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That would be beyond sickening...
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Old October 21st, 2007, 06:01 AM   #474
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Iberia will be looking at YYZ from the perspective of Spanish originating passengers primarily, so you never know.
I believe IB will be looking YYZ more from the perspective of Canadian passengers which want go to Spanish, North African and Southern/Eastern European destinations than Spaniard ones who need go to Canada.

Canada is not an IB top-priority target although they don't rule out YYZ or other Canadian airports for the future, specially if IB purchases the A-330's and their fleet gets bigger.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 08:46 AM   #475
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Toronto hasn't really established itself as a North American hub for travellers outside this continent. Europeans flying to places like Phoenix or Kansas City are going to fly through Chicago and then on to these smaller cities. Toronto needs to stop marketing itself as a Canadian hub, and start thinking of itself as a gateway to the entire continent.

Till this happens, Toronto will always lag other airports like Madrid. There is no reason Toronto can't accomplish this.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 04:54 PM   #476
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The customs complications makes it very difficult for Toronto to be a North American hub targeting American customers. Price is also another problem. If AC is willing to price cheaper than the US carriers, maybe it'll work.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 07:43 PM   #477
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It's not AC's fault they have to charge higher than American carriers, it is because of the high taxes at YYZ and Canada.
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 06:36 AM   #478
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The customs complications makes it very difficult for Toronto to be a North American hub targeting American customers. Price is also another problem. If AC is willing to price cheaper than the US carriers, maybe it'll work.
Yes, there are huge obstacles to this, but nothing is impossible. We need to work around these issues. Lobbying by government, and all that have a vested interest in this like Air Canada, Pearson, and the business community may pay huge dividends if successful. It might take a decade, but airports are not just part of our infrastructure, they are businesses. This is about beating the competition. Simply being a player isn't good enough.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #479
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so was I close, or right on?

Decision No. 522-A-2007
October 22, 2007

APPLICATION by Air Canada, on behalf of itself and Deutsche Lufthansa Aktiengesellschaft (Lufthansa German Airlines) (hereinafter Lufthansa), pursuant to section 60 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended, and section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended, for an approval to permit Air Canada to provide its scheduled international service between Canada and Kuwait by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries between points in Germany and points in Kuwait, for a period of three years or such longer period as may be authorized by the Agency, commencing on October 28, 2007.
File No. M4835-2-5
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Air Canada, on behalf of itself and Lufthansa and has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (hereinafter the Agency) for the approval set out in the title. The application was received on August 10, 2007.

Under Licence No. 070102, Air Canada is authorized to operate, inter alia, a scheduled international service, large aircraft, in accordance with Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the State of Kuwait on Air Transport initialled ad referendum on May 8, 2007 (hereinafter the Agreement).

Under the terms of the Agreement, code sharing between designated airlines and third-country carriers is permitted. That is, while providing services between Canada and Kuwait, the designated airlines may code share on each other's flights, or on flights operated by a carrier of a third country.

The Agency has reviewed and considered the application and the material filed in support thereof and is satisfied that it meets the requirements of section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations (hereinafter the ATR).

With respect to the duration of the approval requested, in light of the provisions of the Agreement, the Agency considers that a term of three years would be appropriate.

Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the Canada Transportation Act and section 8.2 of the ATR, hereby approves the use by Air Canada of aircraft and flight crew provided by Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries, and the provision by Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries of such aircraft and flight crew to Air Canada, to permit Air Canada to provide its scheduled international service on licensed routes between Canada and Kuwait by selling transportation in its own name on flights operated by Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries between points in Germany and points in Kuwait, from October 28, 2007 to October 27, 2010, subject to the following conditions:

1. Air Canada shall continue to hold the required licence authority.

2. Air Canada shall apply its published tariffs, on file with the Agency and in effect, to the carriage of its traffic. In particular, nothing in any commercial agreement between the air carriers relating to limits of liability shall diminish the rights of passengers as stated in such tariffs.

3. The air service approved herein shall only be provided as long as a code-sharing agreement providing for such services remains in effect.

4. Air transportation using Air Canada's code on flights operated by Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries between points in Germany and Kuwait City shall not be sold separately and shall only be available to traffic carried on a continuous journey under Air Canada's code between Canada and Kuwait. No local traffic may be carried under Air Canada's code between Germany and Kuwait.

Air Canada and Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries are reminded of the continuing requirement to comply with sections 8.2 and 8.5 of the ATR.

Air Canada and Lufthansa are further reminded to provide the Agency with a copy of any new agreement or amendments to their commercial agreement, including any new or amended annex, without delay.

The approval granted herein does not exempt Air Canada and Lufthansa and its affiliates and subsidiaries from the requirements of other legislative acts or regulations, including those of Transport Canada.
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Old October 24th, 2007, 05:23 PM   #480
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so was I close, or right on?
Right on of course...
I was trying to see how many wild and crazy responses people would have... you ruined all my fun.

There was talk initially of them using UA AND LH flights but they eventually decided against the UA flight.
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