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Old January 29th, 2009, 10:55 PM   #801
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B777 300 series get GE90-115 engines. If I am not mitaken you can get B777-2 with GE90 as well. Than it has to do with the flying range. There is cargo space adventage in favour of some 772LR.



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Thanks guys for that helpful information. Can you tell me one thing. What are the differences between B777-300 and 777-200? Whats the difference between all the boeing's basically besides capacity? And when Air Canada gets in their 787's, are we to see more destinations by AC in asia/ middle east in tghe next 4 years?
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Old January 29th, 2009, 10:59 PM   #802
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Well the differences between any and all airplanes not just Boeings are...
Passengers, Range, Maximum Take-off Weight, Cargo Capacity, Fuel Capacity, Cruising Speed etc. etc. That said here is a quick summary of Boeing's B777 models.

Boeing has the following B777 passenger models:
B777-200 = B77A
B777-200ER (Extended Range) = B77E
B777-200LR (Long Range) = B77L
B777-300 = B773
B777-300ER (Extended Range) = B77W

B77A & B77E Basic Dimensions
Passengers: 301-440
Wing Span: 199 ft 11 in (60.9 m)
Overall Length: 209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)
Tail Height: 60 ft 9 in (18.5 m)
Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)
Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)

B77L Basic Dimensions
Passengers: 301
Wing Span: 212 ft 7 in (64.8 m)
Overall Length: 209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)
Tail Height: 61 ft 9 in (18.8 m)
Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)
Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)

B773 Basic Dimensions
Passengers: 368-550
Wing Span: 199 ft 11 in (60.9 m)
Overall Length: 242 ft 4 in (73.9 m)
Tail Height: 60 ft 8 in (18.5 m)
Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)
Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)

B77W Basic Dimensions
Passengers: 365
Wing Span: 212 ft 7 in (64.8 m)
Overall Length: 242 ft 4 in (73.9 m)
Tail Height: 61 ft 5 in (18.7 m)
Interior Cabin Width: 19 ft 3 in (5.86 m)
Diameter: 20 ft 4 in (6.19 m)

Range B77A: 5,235 nautical miles (9,695 km)
Range B77E: 7,700 nautical miles (14,260 km)
Range B77L: 9,380 nautical miles (17,370 km)
Range B773: 6,015 nautical miles (11,135 km)
Range B77W: 7,930 nautical miles (14,685 km)
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Old January 30th, 2009, 06:13 AM   #803
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Isn't it true that these airlines listed are not at Toronto Pearson Airport, but rather do a codeshare with other airlines at the airport? And if it is true, that means Toronto airport is only home to about 50- 52 airlines!!! Thats it!!!!

TERMINAL 1:
Air New Zealand
All Nippon Airlines
Royal Jordanian
BMI
Republic Airlines
Swiss International airlines
Singapore airlines
SAS Scandinavian airlines
Shuttle America
Thai Airways
Avianca airlines

TERMINAL 3:
Alaska Airlines
Chautauqua Airlines
Comair
Japan Airlines
Iberia Airlines
Martin air Holland
SkyWest airlines
Atlantic Southeast airlines
Pinnacle Airlines
Qantas Airlines
Miami Air International airlines
Compass Airlines
I believe Qantas operate seasonal service to Vancouver via SFO...
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Old January 30th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #804
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True, we don't have direct flights to singapore, but we do have singapore airlines in Toronto. Its goes to singapore via london heathrow. Also at JFK airport, the singapore airlines over there does not go direct to singapore, rather it stops in France. Via Charles Du Gualle airport.
Sorry YYZplanner but you've got incorrect info there...
SQ does not fly its own planes to YYZ, they codeshare on AC from LHR.
SQ does fly to JFK but not via CDG but via FRA (SQ25/26)
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Old January 30th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #805
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I believe Qantas operate seasonal service to Vancouver via SFO...
IIRC this has been cancelled.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 05:01 AM   #806
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YYZhyd, I thank you for the corrections I wrote on the forums. It seems as though you have excellent knowledge of aircrafts all together. Can you tell me the difference between different aircraft makes? For example- the difference between EK and EY and all other makes. Which one is Air Canada? What is difference between airbus and boeing because it seems almost all the aircrafts I go on are either one or the other. I think also some of them are Boeing- Airbuses- what up with that? And as for Qantas airlines and Air Canada. Why is it that they have flights from vancouver to Australia, but not YYZ? And when is Qantas coming? Any clue about Sabena airlines? Sorry for the extroadinary amount of qiestions- but I find you to be a bit educated here on these matters. Thanks.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 05:07 AM   #807
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I dont think anyone knows about probable destinations by Air Canada when they recieve their Boeing 787's probably by 2012
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Old January 31st, 2009, 05:10 AM   #808
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Does swiss intl airlines fly to toronto?
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Old January 31st, 2009, 06:33 AM   #809
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YYZplanner....uh...I think you need to spend some time reading the forums at airliners.net...that will at least get you started in some basic knowledge of the airline industry....
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Old January 31st, 2009, 09:06 AM   #810
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YYZplanner....uh...I think you need to spend some time reading the forums at airliners.net...that will at least get you started in some basic knowledge of the airline industry....
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Old January 31st, 2009, 10:42 PM   #811
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YYZplanner....uh...I think you need to spend some time reading the forums at airliners.net...that will at least get you started in some basic knowledge of the airline industry....

Airliners.net is the way to go. Well said.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 10:45 PM   #812
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yyzhyd, I was told by Ac pilot that 772 are configurated to have more cargo space than 773. I could be wrong.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 11:48 PM   #813
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I dont think anyone knows about probable destinations by Air Canada when they recieve their Boeing 787's probably by 2012
I'm not sure even AC upper management can answer you for certain, given the current economic situation. Three years is a long time to plan ahead, especially in an industry as turbulent (no pun intended) as the airline industry.

That being said, the 787s were/are meant to replace the 767s, so I imagine the routes would be somewhat similar. However the 787s were designed to be ideal for "long and thin" routes; ie, those routes that are longer distance with smaller passenger loads. At around 200 passengers per flight, not as many seats need to be sold to fill the plane. Longer haul and ultra long haul (ULH) flights are apparently more difficult to operate profitably (I believe it has something to do with having to carry more fuel and therefore less cargo or something like that - I'm no industry expert). Thus a ULH flight would have to sell more seats either at full fare or up front in the business and first cabins (AC has no first class). I think this is part of the reason why AC pulled their non-stop YYZ-DEL route a couple years ago. The planes were flying out full but the passengers were mainly flying discounted fares. As per industry lingo they were "low yield" and mainly a VFR (visiting friends and relatives) market.

The 787s may change the economics of flying longer distances and may offer AC opportunities to fly to markets that were previously deemed unlikely to make a profit. Perhaps a return to a non-stop to DEL might be in the cards, and perhaps BOM. Also within range of the 787 are CMB (Colombo, Sri Lanka), BKK (though would be more likely out of YVR), TPE, and MNL. But I am just guessing wildly at some Asian markets.

Keep in mind, I'm no expert, and this is just my opnion.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 02:03 AM   #814
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^ Well put. 787 will be replace all 767. Some former destinations to be given the chance again. The 777s crew to dominate Australian/Asian network.

Boeing for the win!
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Old February 1st, 2009, 07:29 AM   #815
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Thanks guys for all that information- it was hellpful! But can you guys just tell me if swiss intl airlines fly to toronto? It's for future purposes. And has JetBlue been active in planning its routes for toronto soon?

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Old February 1st, 2009, 09:48 AM   #816
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Swiss does not fly to Toronto, it flies only to Montreal within Canada. They have a deal with Air Canada that gives them access to the YUL market while Air Canada can get the ZRH market from YYZ. Loads aren't outstanding for Swiss to fly alongside AC to Toronto, at least not for now. Those two financial centres should be connected, I agree, far more strongly, but for now we'll have to make due with what we have.

Good to know that GVA and YYZ are now connected though!
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Old February 1st, 2009, 09:34 PM   #817
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Hello. There have been several menitons of Airliners.net as a good resource but you can also look at: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/.

They have all the route announcements before it happens or when it happens. I was online there recently and they noted that United is bringing back the SFO - YYZ flight as of June 4 this year. Not that it is a new airline but still good news that they are starting the route again.

Another site is: http://www.routesonline.com/. They have loads of great information on what is happening.
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Will Ethopian airline's bilateral agreement be approved by the Candaian government? It's so far been put on ice.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #819
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Any clue about Sabena airlines?
SABENA no longer exists, they went bankrupt and were liquidated in 2001.
Their "successor" Brussels Airlines will never be seen in YYZ.

Even if Canada/Ethiopia bilateral is signed Ethiopian Airlines are unlikely to start this route in the current economic climate.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 06:51 PM   #820
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SABENA no longer exists, they went bankrupt and were liquidated in 2001.
Their "successor" Brussels Airlines will never be seen in YYZ.

Even if Canada/Ethiopia bilateral is signed Ethiopian Airlines are unlikely to start this route in the current economic climate.
Besides, they're likely to fly to Montreal before coming to Toronto.
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