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Old August 6th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #1021
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Does Emirates have rights to stop in Europe and perhaps do 5th freedom? Perhaps they can aim for a non-AC city and pick up some transatlantic traffic along the way?
When I mentioned EK, I meant that instead of screaming for immediate unlimited access in a new market... UAE/EK/EY should have tried this type graduated increases like what has been negotiated here.


There will definitely be codeshare between AC/SA via LHR and FRA.
But as far as non-stops go...
AC B77Ls could do YYZ-JNB non-stop without penalty
SA A342 would be the aircraft of choice as it has fewer J class seats plus would need a stop along the way...preferrably in West Africa.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 07:55 PM   #1022
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No they don't...Europeans know that would be suicide for the local airlines...plus all three Emirates, Qatar and Etihad know that would just mess up their almost close to perfect hub-spoke system.....the only time that was'nt the case was when "Sri Lankan" was partly owned by them till around 1-2 years ago...(they got their highly valuable landing slots in Heathrow)..
Actually...EK operated DXB-HAM-JFK with 5th Freedom rights from Oct06 to Mar08.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 05:47 AM   #1023
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^yup.

I remember JAT "Yugoslav Airlines" had LAX-ORD-BEG. Old good days. Also regular visitor at Toronto Pearson since early 1970-1992.
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Old August 9th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #1024
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Can anyone tell me two things?

1. How many times does British Airways serve toronto a day?

2. If Canada has an air agreement between Canada and Spain, why hasn't spainair started service to toronto? I think Air Canada does- but- how many times daily or weekly to spain?
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Old August 9th, 2009, 08:07 PM   #1025
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Can anyone tell me two things?

1. How many times does British Airways serve toronto a day?

2. If Canada has an air agreement between Canada and Spain, why hasn't spainair started service to toronto? I think Air Canada does- but- how many times daily or weekly to spain?
First of all Spanair hasn't long-haul planes in it's fleet to serve transatlantic flights. Iberia also doesn't serve flights to Toronto. Air Canada flies to Madrid seasonal, check Air Canada's or Barajas airport's official websites for details.
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Old August 9th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #1026
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I thought the aviation agreements are now EU and not country-based?
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Old August 9th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #1027
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Can anyone tell me two things?

1. How many times does British Airways serve toronto a day?

2. If Canada has an air agreement between Canada and Spain, why hasn't spainair started service to toronto? I think Air Canada does- but- how many times daily or weekly to spain?
1. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=british+airways+flights+to+toronto

2. repeat #1 for Spain

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Old August 10th, 2009, 06:10 PM   #1028
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yyzhyd....there are rumours circulating around that Qatar will be starting YYZ ops next summer, with A346....these are from some pretty good sources at the GTAA.....

Maybe that bilateral agreement is happening after all.....
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Old August 10th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #1029
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yyzhyd....there are rumours circulating around that Qatar will be starting YYZ ops next summer, with A346....these are from some pretty good sources at the GTAA.....

Maybe that bilateral agreement is happening after all.....
Good to hear! So let me speculate based on your comments...

With recent deliveries of B77Ws to QR they can free up the A346s from HKG, CDG and LHR routes
To do DOH-YYZ daily QR would need a minimum of 3 frames... and they have 4 A346s. However they could operate a YYZ-DOH-BOM/DEL same plane service which would offer optimum A346 utilization for the 4 frames.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 09:05 PM   #1030
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Any pictures of this airport?
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Old August 10th, 2009, 09:08 PM   #1031
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #1032
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Is there a possibility that QR will join star alliance?
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Old August 10th, 2009, 11:11 PM   #1033
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Is there a possibility that QR will join star alliance?
Qatar Air CEO: 'Star Alliance should invite us to join'

July 23, 2009

"...Knowing that we are a large carrier, Star should invite us to join them," he said. "If they have interest in us and they invite us, then we shall see the pros and cons and then we will decide..."

link: http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2009/0...-to-join-.html
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Old August 12th, 2009, 05:30 AM   #1034
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Just googling around, and came across this, published in South African business magazine 'Business Day'.......there is no official announcement by Transport Canada yet, but it looks like there may be flights from YYZ-JNB soon...

SA skies ready for 10% air traffic growth a year for next decade

JULIUS BAUMANN Published: 2009/07/21 06:35:04 AM

THE Department of Transport believes it has created enough air capacity — for both cargo and passenger services — to meet growth in demand for the next 10 to 15 years.

“We are comfortable that our agreements provide enough capacity for growth of 10% a year for the next decade,” Anwar Gany, chief director of civil aviation, said yesterday. It is a vital process that has seen the skies over SA open up to competition.

Scheduled international flights are strictly regulated by an intricate web of air policy agreements between nations, defining when, where and how airlines may fly between any two points on the globe. However, SA has been opening the air market with a more liberal approach to competition.

This process was largely driven by the Airlift Strategy, approved by the government in 2006, which aimed to create capacity ahead of demand and fram e the agenda of any future bilateral negotiations.

Among the key successes is the recent conclusion of an agreement between SA and Canada for the first time since negotiations began in 1977. The agreement allows for three frequencies from this year, increasing to five in 2012 and daily flights in 2015.

Gany said no airline had taken up the frequencies but it could pave the way for airlines such as South African Airways (SAA) and Air Canada to enter into a code-share on routes between the two countries.


In the past two years the department, under the stewardship of Gany, and chief negotiator Vuwani Ndwamato, have renegotiated virtually every bilateral agreement and put in place new agreements .

Ndwamato said that the next challenge was opening up competition on the continent. While several African nations had agreed years ago to liberalise in terms of the Yamoussoukro Decision, few have.

“Our aim is to open up the continent country by country. We have made substantial process in west, east and north Africa,” Ndwamato said . “However, the Sadc region remains problematic.”

Its talks with the European Union are another big challenge. The EU last year removed virtually all restrictions on EU carriers, allowing them to operate anywhere in Europe.
Pretty cool. Would love to the SAA livery in Toronto. I'm guessing SAA's fleet of 340s are unable to fly non-stop to YYZ.

Would Toronto be able to support both flights to South Africa (JNB) and Ethiopia? If so, how frequent? Would they have to pull a lot of feed or would the be able to get a good amount of O&D traffic?

I must say, YYZ and Toronto are certainly becoming an international player. Seems like it's becoming a global player.

Looking at WestJet's agreements with KLM and Air France, what will this do for those airlines in Toronto? Any chance we'll see LH add a flight to Munich using it's own metal (I know AC has a daily flight to Munich)?
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Old August 12th, 2009, 06:35 AM   #1035
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This thread is only about various new airlines arriving or scheduled to arrive at Pearson, but nothing about the actual airport, such as development news, transit developments etc.

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Old August 12th, 2009, 06:40 AM   #1036
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This thread is only about various new airlines arriving or scheduled to arrive at Pearson, but nothing about the actual airport, such as development news, transit developments etc.

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So then, p5archit why don't you start us off eh? I think it would be very interesting. lol
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Old August 12th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #1037
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there really isnt anything new to report, pier G and Pier H have been shelved for some time due to the recession and Blue22 is mired in debate with community activists over electrification and other issues. Traffic is down 7.6%

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TS offers some Spanish destination for Canadians going on Spanish tours.
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Old August 13th, 2009, 06:41 AM   #1039
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^ The same goes for Greece. IF OA go bust, Air Transat will step in.
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Old August 13th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #1040
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GTAA reports 2009 second quarter results

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../12/c4597.html

TORONTO, Aug. 12 /CNW/ - The Greater Toronto Airports Authority (the
"GTAA")
today reported its financial and operating results for the 6-month
period ending June 30, 2009. A total of 14.8 million passengers were processed
at Toronto Pearson International Airport in the first half of 2009, an 8.1 per
cent decrease compared to the same 2008 period. This decline in passenger
traffic is a result of the current economic downturn which has reduced demand
for air travel worldwide.
For the six months ended June 30, 2009 the GTAA reported total revenues
of $545.6 million compared to $581.0 million in the same 2008 period. Total
operating expenses were $252.1 million, including $70.3 million in ground rent
paid to the federal government. In the first six months of 2008 operating
expenses were $280.9 million. After accounting for debt service and
amortization, the GTAA recorded revenues under expenses of $8.4 million for
the period, an improvement of $11.2 million compared to revenues under
expenses of $19.6 million in the same period in 2008.
For the three-month period ended June 30, 2009, revenue over expenses was
$5.3 million compared to revenues over expenses of $7.2 million for the same
period in 2008. Total revenues for the period were $273.4 million, a $19.1
million decrease over the second quarter of 2008. Total operating expenses,
including ground rent, were $118.7 million in the second quarter of 2009,
compared to $129.6 million, a $10.9 million decrease over the second quarter
of 2008.
The financial and operating results recorded in the first half of 2009
are reflective of the implementation of the GTAA's current five-year strategic
plan, which is intended to further develop revenue, efficiency and customer
service initiatives and the implementation of a four point plan in February
2009 to combat the effects of the current economic slowdown on the GTAA's
business. The GTAA continues to work aggressively to drive down expenses, and,
where possible, increase non-aeronautical revenues and aeronautical activity.
The GTAA sets its aeronautical rates annually on a modified cash basis.
Accordingly, certain non-cash items such as amortization are not included when
calculating aeronautical rates. On this modified cash basis the GTAA continues
to generate revenues and maintain adequate liquidity to fund its operating and
capital activities.
During the second quarter of 2009 the GTAA issued $300 million of Series
2009-1 Medium Term Notes due November 20, 2019. Proceeds of the issue were
used to fund reserve funds and capital expenditures and for debt repayment.
Proceeds not expended as at June 30, 2009 will be used for future capital
expenditures and debt repayments.
The financial results of the GTAA for the first six months of 2009 are
discussed in more detail in the Financial Statements of the GTAA for the six
months ended June 30, 2009 and Management's Discussion and Analysis which are
available at www.gtaa.com and on the Canadian Securities Administrators'
website at www.sedar.com.

The GTAA is the operator of Toronto Pearson International Airport, the
largest airport in Canada and one of the largest airports in North America in
terms of passenger and air cargo traffic.
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