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Old August 20th, 2010, 07:21 PM   #1421
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How many flights do they have a day on AC and other carriers and what kind of types of planes can make the trip ?
Might be better for you to try searching AC's schedules for the aircraft type and frequency.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 05:31 AM   #1422
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Might be better for you to try searching AC's schedules for the aircraft type and frequency.

I agree. It's too hard to tell. Some routes are quite corporate, some arent.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #1423
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Hainan Airlines have been awarded their Canadian licence.....

Decision No. 362-A-2010
August 25, 2010

APPLICATION by Hainan Airlines Company Limited pursuant to subsection 69(1) of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended.

File No. M4212/ H239-4


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Hainan Airlines Company Limited (applicant) has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for a licence to operate a scheduled international service between the People's Republic of China and Canada in accordance with the Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the People's Republic of China on Air Transport, signed on September 9, 2005 (Agreement).

The Government of Canada designated the applicant as eligible to hold the scheduled international licence pursuant to subsection 69(3) of the Canada Transportation Act (CTA).

The Agency is satisfied that the applicant meets all the applicable requirements of subsection 69(1) of the CTA. The Agency also finds that the pertinent terms and conditions of the Agreement have been complied with.

Further, with respect to this application, the applicant has undertaken that it will not contravene section 59 of the CTA prior to the issuance of the applied for licence.

Accordingly, the Agency approves the application for a licence to operate a scheduled international service between the People's Republic of China and Canada.

Pursuant to subsection 71(1) of the CTA, the licence is subject to the conditions prescribed by the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended, and the following conditions:

1. The Licensee is authorized to operate a scheduled international service on the route(s) set out in the Agreement.

2. The scheduled international service is to be conducted in accordance with the Agreement and any applicable arrangements agreed to between Canada and the People's Republic of China.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 04:49 PM   #1424
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Hainan Airlines have been awarded their Canadian licence.....
Fantastic news... but with only 3 A340-600s they cannot do PEK-YYZ daily.
Hopefully their 787s can come online fairly quickly next year and they can make this a daily route. Nevertheless it's nice to see another new entrant to the Toronto market.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #1425
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Fantastic news... but with only 3 A340-600s they cannot do PEK-YYZ daily.
Yes, I think they are planning on 3 x's weekly initially....
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Old August 27th, 2010, 09:57 AM   #1426
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3 x weekly for the winter season is not bad to nock it off.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 10:00 AM   #1427
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Any data on Turkish? How are they doing?
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Old August 27th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #1428
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I hear TK are doing great at YYZ....something like a 92% load factor
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Old August 28th, 2010, 07:17 AM   #1429
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Mexicana leaves YYZ indefinetly...

Sad news...

Mexico City, August 27, 2010. Nuevo Grupo Aeronáutico, S.A. de C.V. ("Grupo Mexicana") announced this morning that as a result of the group’s delicate financial situation when it changed owners a week ago, compounded by failure to reach agreements that would allow for the capitalization of its three airlines, Mexicana Airlines, MexicanaClick and MexicanaLink flights will suspend operations until further notice as of midday (12:00 p.m.) on Saturday, August 28, 2010.

Among the factors that have contributed to this announcement are:

Grupo Mexicana’s fragile financial situation, which has deteriorated further over the last four weeks due to the previous management’s decision to suspend ticket sales, forcing the company to continue operating in the interests of passengers without receiving any revenue.
No substantial agreements were reached to give companies in the Group long-term viability.
Lack of effectiveness in the insolvency (Concurso Mercantil) process intended to protect additional financial resources available to the company so it could to continue operating.
Given the uncertainty of the situation, certain suppliers have begun demanding advanced payment of services that are essential to the airlines’ operations.
Today’s decision is a painful one for the 8,000-strong Grupo Mexicana family, but we will continue seeking out ways of securing the company’s long-term financial viability, so our passengers can once again enjoy the quality services they are accustomed to. We hope to be back in the air soon and would like to thank everyone involved in this process for their support and understanding.

If you have bookings or/and have paid for a Grupo Mexicana flight and have a reservation code, we would like to inform you that:

All Mexicana, MexicanaLink and MexicanaClick flights will be suspended until further notice as of midday on Saturday, August 28, 2010. All flights programmed to depart after this hour will be canceled.
Grupo Mexicana deeply regrets any inconvenience this decision may cause and will continue to assist passengers to the full extent of its abilities. Passengers who have already flown a leg of their journey and who are scheduled to fly with a Grupo Mexicana airline after Saturday, August 28, 2010 are advised to consult the websites or contact us at the numbers listed below. Priority will be given to minors traveling unaccompanied, passengers traveling with children under age 3 and special needs passengers.
If you have not yet begun your journey, we recommend you make alternative travel arrangements.

The last flight from Mexico City landed today
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Old August 28th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #1430
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I hear TK are doing great at YYZ....something like a 92% load factor
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Old August 30th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #1431
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Local rumours that Hainan Airlines, now that they have their official Canadian licence, will be starting their YYZ ops on Nov 27....

edit: can anyone who speaks Chinese verify what this says?

http://news.carnoc.com/list/168/168576.html
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Old August 30th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #1432
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Local rumours that Hainan Airlines, now that they have their official Canadian licence, will be starting their YYZ ops on Nov 27....

edit: can anyone who speaks Chinese verify what this says?

http://news.carnoc.com/list/168/168576.html
here is the translation :
Civil Aviation Resource Net August 27, 2010 News : news from the Hainan Airlines (Hainan Airlines Company Limited, referred to as " HNA ") noted that Hainan Airlines will be November 27, 2010 opening of Beijing = Toronto flights , which is HNA launched the first-ever non-stop flights from China to Canada coincided with the 40th anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Canada , this provision not only for the opening of routes between China and Canada to facilitate exchanges between the people but also will further strengthen bilateral political, economic, and cultural , Technology, tourism and other fields of cooperation and exchanges between the two countries set up the friendly people of the air bridge .

It is understood that this provision route from Airbus wide-body A340 aircraft luxury executive flight , three times a week , flight time for the weekly , three, six executive to fly from Beijing 13:00 local time 13:40 arriving in Toronto ; return to Local Time 15:40 Departure from Toronto , Beijing time 18:55 ( next day ) arrived in Beijing. Flight time is approximately 13 hours. Fly the Airbus A340 aircraft are equipped with a rich naval flight entertainment system , encompassing dozens of the world's classic films , hundreds of sheets music CD, plus a wealth of video games, so you forget the tedious journey , ergonomic Reduce long-distance travel seat design mental and physical fatigue , the way you relaxed , comfortable leisure destination . November 27, 2010 to December 27, 2010 , Hainan Airlines also launched surprise sailing privileges, Beijing = Toronto from only 4800 yuan ( excluding tax) , a limited number of discounted tickets , first come first served .
Used my google translator!! lmao

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Old September 1st, 2010, 03:38 PM   #1433
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Civil Aviation Resource Net August 27, 2010 News : news from the Hainan Airlines (Hainan Airlines Company Limited, referred to as " HNA ") noted that Hainan Airlines will be November 27, 2010 opening of Beijing = Toronto flights , which is HNA launched the first-ever non-stop flights from China to Canada coincided with the 40th anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Canada , this provision not only for the opening of routes between China and Canada to facilitate exchanges between the people but also will further strengthen bilateral political, economic, and cultural , Technology, tourism and other fields of cooperation and exchanges between the two countries set up the friendly people of the air bridge .

It is understood that this provision route from Airbus wide-body A340 aircraft luxury executive flight , three times a week , flight time for the weekly , three, six executive to fly from Beijing 13:00 local time 13:40 arriving in Toronto ; return to Local Time 15:40 Departure from Toronto , Beijing time 18:55 ( next day ) arrived in Beijing. Flight time is approximately 13 hours. Fly the Airbus A340 aircraft are equipped with a rich naval flight entertainment system , encompassing dozens of the world's classic films , hundreds of sheets music CD, plus a wealth of video games, so you forget the tedious journey , ergonomic Reduce long-distance travel seat design mental and physical fatigue , the way you relaxed , comfortable leisure destination . November 27, 2010 to December 27, 2010 , Hainan Airlines also launched surprise sailing privileges, Beijing = Toronto from only 4800 yuan ( excluding tax) , a limited number of discounted tickets , first come first served .
Used my google translator!! lmao
From Airlineroute.net today:

Hainan Airlines launch Beijing – Toronto service from late-Nov 2010
20100831 by jimyvr Leave a Comment

Hainan Airlines from 27NOV10 is launching 3 weekly Beijing – Toronto service on board Airbus A340-600 aircraft. Toronto is the carrier’s 2nd destination in North America and 1st in Canada.

Schedule below:

HU7975 PEK1300 – 1340YYZ 346 136
HU7976 YYZ1540 – 1855+1PEK 346 136

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http://airlineroute.net/2010/08/31/hu-pekyyz-w10/

So it seems to be confirmed.
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Old September 1st, 2010, 03:55 PM   #1434
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Thanks 41! there is a press release as well.....

Hainan Airlines To Open Beijing-Toronto Route

Posted By China Travel Editor On September 1, 2010 @ 5:31 am In News | Comments Disabled

Hainan Airlines Company, the largest independently-owned carrier in China, is scheduled to launch non-stop flights on the Beijing to Toronto route on November 27, 2010.

The new service is Hainan Airlines' first route linking China and Canada.

Flights on the Beijing to Toronto route will be operated three times per week, using Airbus A340 aircraft. Outbound flights will depart every Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday at 13:00 local time and will arrive in Toronto at 13:40 local time. Return flights will leave Toronto at 15:40 local time, arriving in Beijing the following day at 18:55 local time.

The travel time between the two cities will be about 13 hours.
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 10:38 AM   #1435
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Good stuff! Let me guess, they will send A 340?
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 11:56 AM   #1436
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^ Ah ... yes, their former CX A340!
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 12:49 PM   #1437
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Wicked! Now here is where I need some help. Just picked up a 300MM lense and I wanna do some shots at YYZ. What about Dixon road where it hits the 427? That is one approach where I can see the birds fly over my head quite close considering that they land right after the 427.

Good idea? I have been told that Peel cops patrol that area.
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 04:25 PM   #1438
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Does anyone know anything on AeroMexico resuming their service here because Mexicana went bankrupt?
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 05:44 PM   #1439
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Wicked! Now here is where I need some help. Just picked up a 300MM lense and I wanna do some shots at YYZ. What about Dixon road where it hits the 427? That is one approach where I can see the birds fly over my head quite close considering that they land right after the 427.

Good idea? I have been told that Peel cops patrol that area.
I would not suggest there. They have cracked down a whole lot on that area. You are best to sit in the parking lot where Aviation World is. It is on the other side of the 427.

Also you can try where the TD Bank is located on airport road for the other runway. Cannor remember the name but there is usually a lot of people there.
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Does anyone know anything on AeroMexico resuming their service here because Mexicana went bankrupt?
AeroMexico at present has not said they will be resuming. However, that does not mean that they will not. Hopefully once the visa requirement has been removed, things will change.
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