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Old February 18th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #241
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I often thought about it too. Quickest connection by rail and ferry nowadays would be to go Paris-Strasbourg-Stuttgart-Munich-Salzubrg-Vienna-Budapest-Arad-Timisoara-Bucharest-Constanta and fast ferry from there to Istanbul (which stopped operating in 2005). Paris-Strasbourg-Stuttgart-Munich is presently under development as HSR. East of there there are speeds of roughly 160 kmh until Budapest and the Romanian border. The route east of there is under development, maybe soon the way via Sighisoara rather than via Timisoara will be faster. While Beograd-Sofia-Edirne is geographically more direct, the poor state of railways in Serbia and Bulgaria make Romania & the Black Sea the more efficient route for the near future, if anybody would organize such a connection.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #242
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I often thought about it too...
5 years ago I did Brussels-Köln-Munchen-Salzburg-Vienna-Budapest-Bucharest
Dimitrovgrad-Istanbul. It took me 2 days and 3 nights to do
this trip, with a few stops only. East of Vienna, this is desperately slow.
A memorable trip, but only for railfans.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 01:07 PM   #243
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Anyway, even with a full high speed line, trips longer than 1000-1500 km are not competitive against plane. For making such a corridor feasible, traffic among intermediate cities needs to be important too. There would be a really low demand for a complete trip from Paris to Istambul by high speed rail. Yes, sort of luxurious trains, probably.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 12:03 PM   #244
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Test drive with Piri Reis Train of Istanbul-Ankara Highspeed Line.

Opening is in March 2014

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Old February 25th, 2014, 02:25 PM   #245
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Test drive with Piri Reis Train of Istanbul-Ankara Highspeed Line.

Opening is in March 2014

[IMG]http://oi61.************/33z3fxy.jpg[/IMG]
I will really open this spring? and also go through marmay ?

How much time less it will take compared to the night train Istanbul-Ankara?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #246
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They are trying to make it by local elections on March 30, but there is much doubt whether the line is really ready and especially if it would not need more time for tests.
Istanbul urban rail is presently being upgraded and therefore long-distance trains will terminate in a remote suburb (Pendik) until renovation is finished in summer 2015 or early 2016. Then YHT are scheduled to enter the Marmaray tunnel. Conventional trains used to take 6 to 7 hours. The trip from Ankara to Pendik is supposed to initially take 3 hours. After some missing sections of the HSR are finished it is supposed to take only 3 hours even into downtown Istanbul.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 03:22 PM   #247
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They are trying to make it by local elections on March 30, but there is much doubt whether the line is really ready and especially if it would not need more time for tests.
Istanbul urban rail is presently being upgraded and therefore long-distance trains will terminate in a remote suburb (Pendik) until renovation is finished in summer 2015 or early 2016. Then YHT are scheduled to enter the Marmaray tunnel. Conventional trains used to take 6 to 7 hours. The trip from Ankara to Pendik is supposed to initially take 3 hours. After some missing sections of the HSR are finished it is supposed to take only 3 hours even into downtown Istanbul.

7 hours it was too much before, i saw this cause i was preparing a trip with the actual night train

Marmaray will be a verry good success,
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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #248
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too much but conventional trains are really comfortable.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:13 AM   #249
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The Ankara-Istanbul project was one of the biggest to be implemented by Turkey's Ministry of Transportation. The main aim was for shorter journey times along with a fast, secure and safe way to travel away from roads.

Here are few images and complete information on Ankara-Istanbul High-Speed Train Project, Turkey
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Old March 4th, 2014, 12:05 PM   #250
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The Ankara-Istanbul project was one of the biggest to be implemented by Turkey's Ministry of Transportation. The main aim was for shorter journey times along with a fast, secure and safe way to travel away from roads.

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Thanks a lot Rama, it is indeed a huge project
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:05 PM   #251
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Can´t wait for Istanbul-Ankara High Speed Line
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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #252
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I think that Turkey is playing it smart with the Ankara-Istanbul project. The amount saved between a 300 km/h and 250 km/h speed limit in terms of right-of-way requirements is very significant (350 km/h IMO is more of an exercise of ego)

Costs increase exponentially which the rate of increase in price becoming more of a factor somewhere around 200 km/h, compared to 150 km/h.

If the line can be scheduled with levels of express, aka how the Japanese schedule the shinkansen, and, have high speed travel through stations, the difference between 250 and 300 km/h in the real world might be 30 or 45 minutes (the key, of course being average speed.)
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Old March 5th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #253
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The longer the line, the bigger is the difference between 250 km/h and 300 km/h.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #254
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The Ankara-Istanbul project was one of the biggest to be implemented by Turkey's Ministry of Transportation. The main aim was for shorter journey times along with a fast, secure and safe way to travel away from roads.

Here are few images and complete information on Ankara-Istanbul High-Speed Train Project, Turkey

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TCDD divided the Ankara-Istanbul high-speed train project into two phases. The first involved the construction of a 251km (157 mile) section of fast line between Sincan and Inonu at a cost of $747m.

http://www.railway-technology.com/pr...kara-istanbul/

747 M$ for 251 km that makes 2.15 M€/km it is as affordable as the cost of Ankara-Konya HSR line if i remeber am i wrong? whow much was Konya-Ankara per km?
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Old March 16th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #255
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Old March 16th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #256
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Video published in March 15 2014,

There is 2 trains runing in the same sens is it a test before prod step?
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:36 AM   #257
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I wished they went with balastless trucks and 350km/h standard but still good to see these projects turning into reality.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #258
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There is another line planned from Ankara to Istanbul with 350 km / h speed. This line will be more direct.
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Old March 18th, 2014, 04:00 PM   #259
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There is another line planned from Ankara to Istanbul with 350 km / h speed. This line will be more direct.
Has construction started yet on this line? When should it be completed?
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Old March 18th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #260
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It was actually started in the 80s.
As you might notice on a map, the present Ankara-Istanbul line detours via Eskisehir. Construction began for a direttissimo line along while ago, but funding evaporated, so now there are a few tunnels somewhere West of Sincan in the mountains. The terrain along the direct route between Sincan and Adapazari is extremely mountainous, so construction is difficult and expensive, at 300+ kmh, it is believed to cost 10 billion USD. Recently the plan for the diretissimo was revived for a planned cooperation with Chinese capital. Although a deal was signed and the Chinese were intrested in this, Turkey's busiest intercity route, the Chinese rejected initial planning by the Turkish side as inadequate. It was said that the plans would be revised, but I have now not heard about the miraculous billions the Chinese were ready to invest into the Turkish HSR system in probably two years, so maybe the deal is dead.
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