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Old January 11th, 2015, 06:28 PM   #341
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Turkey to Build High-Speed Railway Line to Bulgaria

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Bulgaria: Turkey to Build High-Speed Railway Line to Bulgaria Turkish Transport Minister Lutfi Elvan, photo by Wikipedia


Turkey is building a high-speed railway line to Bulgaria, according to Transport Minister Lutfi Elvan.

Elvan, as cited by Daily Sabah and dir.bg, informed that the rail line would connect Istanbul to the Kapikule border crossing point and would run through Edirne.

He made clear that the tender would be held in 2015.

Elvan said that the mega projects on which Turkey was working included the North Marmara Highway, the Third Bosphorus Bridge, and the two-track railway line that would run across the bridge.

He announced that the road connection to Greece was also being improved and that railway tracks were being thoroughly renewed.

Turkey’s Transport Minister also voiced hopes that Greece would improve its railway network.

- See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/165....gfzQwoKi.dpuf
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Old January 11th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #342
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Transportation, Communications and Maritime Affairs Minister Lütfi Elvan said that they want to strengthen the infrastructure link with neighboring countries; thus, Istanbul will be connected to the Kapıkule border gate (Bulgaria) with a high-speed railway line passing through Edirne. A tender will be held on this in 2015. Mega projects include the North Marmara Highway, the third bridge and railway lines that will pass over this bridge will be connected to this line. Elvan remarked that the highway link with Greece is also being strengthened and that railway links are being renewed completely, and indicated his expectation that Greece would strengthen its own railway.
http://www.dailysabah.com/money/2015...-with-bulgaria
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Old January 11th, 2015, 06:36 PM   #343
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Old January 11th, 2015, 07:31 PM   #345
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they keep saying this for years...
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It's a high speed rail line to the Turkey-Bulgaria border, not a high speed rail line to Bulgaria. How much demand is there past Edirne anyway?
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Old January 12th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #347
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It's a high speed rail line to the Turkey-Bulgaria border, not a high speed rail line to Bulgaria. How much demand is there past Edirne anyway?
But what would it connect to in Bulgaria? It's only 20 km from Edirne to the border so it only makes sense if train can continue to some larger city on the other side.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 06:13 PM   #348
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Of course there is a demand: just check the high number of buses departing from Esenler bus station to Bulgaria everyday. There are lots of families that live in Turkey and have relatives, studies, or work in Bulgaria and vice versa. Also Bulgarian tourists in Turkey are among the top 10. Finally if the Schengen visa finally is dropped or much simplified, as has been promised, Istanbulites will discover that there is good beaches, ski slopes, nature, and night life just outside their doorstep.
Last but certainly not least, it would also do good for the freight traffic if a straighter, faster line would replace the curvy and slow tracks built there by Baron Hirsch in the 1870s. This is a vital link in intercontinental exports and imports.
The Bulgarian side of the border track has been modernized in the last years and is nearing completion. Tracks there are designed for 160 kmh from Plovdiv to the border, reconstruction of Sofia-Plovdiv has begun. 4 hours from Sofia to Istanbul woudl be entirely possible if the present method of ultra-slow border checks would be abondoned for more efficient methods (checks by mobile police groups on moving trains).
A problem is the bas state of Bulgarian State Railways, which is being slowly starved to death by the government. Therefore a new HSR train would probably have to be operated by TCDD.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #349
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The line on the Bulgarian side is beeing upgraded to 160 km/h, far from HSR but at least something that could be used in conjunction with a fast line on the Turkish side. The current condition of services are despicable, a single overnight train with couchettes only. And it's mostly empty!

With HSR being built from Budapest to Belgrade and now hopefully Istanbul-Bulgaria there might actually be a reasonable way to travel to Istanbul from Europe.

Even if I personally miss the overnight services from Vienna and Budapest.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #350
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There already is a very reasonable way to travel from Istanbul to Europe, it's called airplane. Even if there was 200km/h lines all along the approximately 1,200km between Istanbul and Budapest and all the border control issues had been solved, it would still be a trip that would take more than 8h, making it uncompetitive to budget airlines for the majority of travelers. Rail can be competitive for trips from Istanbul, to Sofia, Skopje, Thessaloniki, maybe Belgrade and Bucharest at a stretch. There is a reason that the line between Barcelona ahd Paris has only two direct pairs of trains per day and the line between London and Paris 15.

The only trains that are competitive for further distances are those that carry cars, so that people who want to visit Turkey can take their car with them without driving and staying at a hotel overnight. Those trains don't need to have super high speeds, a 100km/h that would make them faster than cars are sufficient
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TCCD has to test this :

http://www.franceinfo.fr/emission/to...-01-2015-06-53

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here the cities concerned :

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I have read some articles on that, but I would like to ask this forum again:
When will the Turkish High Speed YHT train be better integrated into the public transportation system of Istanbul - this may include access by metro or suburban rail (not just taxi or bus)?
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Original planning was for summer of this year, i.e. trains could have run to Haydarpasa or European suburbs. However, the Spanish company charged with reconstructing Istanbul's urban railway just tore down all old rails, platforms, and bridges, then stopped working all together. The ministry of transport is now negotiating for a Turkish company to take over construction without any tender. This way they might possibly still make 2017. Sadly these kind of irresponsible or incapable construction companies abound and all too often manage to win a tender in Turkey in the infrastructure business.
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Original planning was for summer of this year, i.e. trains could have run to Haydarpasa or European suburbs. However, the Spanish company charged with reconstructing Istanbul's urban railway just tore down all old rails, platforms, and bridges, then stopped working all together. The ministry of transport is now negotiating for a Turkish company to take over construction without any tender. This way they might possibly still make 2017. Sadly these kind of irresponsible or incapable construction companies abound and all too often manage to win a tender in Turkey in the infrastructure business.
That sounds just like my native Denmark. The bureaucrats are afraid of the consequences of not accepting the cheapest bid. So they sign a contract that even a child would say is bound to fail. Then, when the contract fails, they throw up their hands and claim innocence: they have acted in good faith because there was a firm contract with the private party.

Sadly this plays into the hands of crooked companies. They low-ball their bids recklessly and bet on endless re-negotiations. Reputable companies often withdraw from such competitions because they fear for their good reputation. But if you're a crook.... well, then there's no good reputation to worry about.
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From Railway Gazette:

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TCDD orders 10 more Velaros
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TURKEY: State railway operator TCDD has selected Siemens to supply a further 10 Velaro TR high speed trainsets, the company confirmed on February 18. Subject to any legal challenges from other bidders, the contract is expected to be signed shortly.

Having bought the former Velaro D demonstrator and then ordered six more Velaro trainsets in July 2013, TCDD called tenders by May 2014 for an additional 10 eight-car trainsets to augment its limited fleet of high speed trains operating between Ankara, Konya, Eskisehir and Istanbul

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I do not know if this is the right decision. Siemens had bad delays producing its Velaros for Deutsche Bahn. I have taken the Velaro now a few times in Germany, and there are several problems all the time. One time the train could not leave for 10 minutes because a door did not close, toilets were clogged almost all over the train. Changes to the ICE3 were mostly for the worse and not the better, but of course TCDD could order changes in seating, dining car arrangements, etc., so this need not apply for the Velaro Türk.
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I have read some articles on that, but I would like to ask this forum again:
When will the Turkish High Speed YHT train be better integrated into the public transportation system of Istanbul - this may include access by metro or suburban rail (not just taxi or bus)?
Perhaps a good example of interurban and intraurban complementarity would be the spanish example where a HSR passenger has a free termination trip in urban transport network.
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I do not know if this is the right decision. Siemens had bad delays producing its Velaros for Deutsche Bahn.
From a maintenance perspective only it wouldn't make sense to order anything else then extra Velaros. A total of 17 high speed trains of 2 different types would not make sense.

I do agree with you though that Siemens' track record isn't that great lately. Both the Velaro D and the NMBS Desiros have a long list of problems that Siemens doesn't seem able to solve. Anybody know how the Eurostar E320 and the Amtrak ACS-64 are doing?
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I do not know if this is the right decision. Siemens had bad delays producing its Velaros for Deutsche Bahn. I have taken the Velaro now a few times in Germany, and there are several problems all the time. One time the train could not leave for 10 minutes because a door did not close, toilets were clogged almost all over the train. Changes to the ICE3 were mostly for the worse and not the better, but of course TCDD could order changes in seating, dining car arrangements, etc., so this need not apply for the Velaro Türk.
Can you compare CAF sets and Velaro?
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