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Old February 20th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #361
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Can you compare CAF sets and Velaro?
Rather Talgo, CAF constructs some Speed Trains but it no their apanage,

Siemens is among the big 4: Hitashi, Alstom, Siemens and Bombardier IMHO other groups are second players.



Some facts comparing Velaro to other trains:

http://www.railway-technology.com/fe...ins-in-europe/
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Old March 16th, 2015, 02:52 PM   #362
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Construction of High Speed Train Station in Ankara

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Old May 24th, 2015, 02:29 PM   #363
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Old May 24th, 2015, 02:30 PM   #364
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Highspeed Railway Line in 2023

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Old May 24th, 2015, 04:43 PM   #365
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Antalya and Adana deserves 250 km/h.
Also Bursa.

And Eskişehir - Polatlı is 250 km/h as I know.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #366
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Siemens Velaro at Ankara Train Station.

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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #368
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:54 PM   #369
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why they just built a high platform like JP and China,it was much more convenient.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 07:19 AM   #370
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why they just built a high platform like JP and China,it was much more convenient.
1. Ankara Central is a legacy station (built 1937).
2. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Turkish HSR is being built to European standards (which favor low- to medium-level platforms) rather than the high-level ones favored in Asia.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #371
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Old August 19th, 2015, 12:50 AM   #372
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It doesn't fit to our capital.
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Old August 19th, 2015, 12:41 PM   #373
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Nor to the existing buildings from the 1930s making up the railway station in Ankara. It looks just like another oversized shopping mall, which I suppose for the larger part is what it will be.
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Old August 20th, 2015, 04:35 PM   #374
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The rail is the pretext, the aim is speculation and profit.
Since more than a decade the thundering official announcements in rail developments are followed by very poor results in all aspects of these projects.
This islamic-conservative and ultraliberal (only for economy, of course) government is a world champion in shopping malls construction.
But the very fast growing of economy (in fact, an huge speculative artificial bubble) is over, stagnation is there (GDP growth should be around 2 or 2.5 % in 2015) and the civilian war the Turkish president started since one month with the cynical objective to keep the power makes a not very promising situation for these miserable white elephants.

Here some articles about the incredible developments of shopping malls construction in Turkey:
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http://www.bugun.com.tr/ekonomi/ista...haberi/1691836

(In English)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/74-...&NewsCatID=345
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_...rs_375409.html
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 11:28 AM   #375
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Highspeed Railway Line in 2023

Does anyone know the source of this map? It seems very unlikely the high speed network in Turkey will be expanded this much within 8 years.

I'm aware that the existing network (Ankara/Konya/Istanbul) is built to 250km/hr specs - is the upgrade to 300km/hr indicated on this map in progress? Apart from part of the line East to Sivas, which lines in the rest of the future network are under construction?

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Old August 23rd, 2015, 11:21 PM   #376
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Don't know source. Not official, anyways. Konya line is theoretically capable of 300 kmh cause it is straight, but has to my knowledge not been used that way. I think Ankara-Eskisehir as 300 kmh is an error. Kocaeli-Pendik is 160 kmh upgrade, not 250 kmh, Pendik-Halkali probably even less. U/C are besides Sivas parts of Bursa-Bilecik, Konya-Ulukisla (which is east of Karaman), and Polatli-Usak. Some of the other lines are in advanced planning stages though.
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Old August 24th, 2015, 11:29 AM   #377
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To my understanding, the current situation is as I have tried to mark in the map below: Green is in operation, red U/C.
Maybe some sections marked in yellow are already in operation (south of Konya), but I doubt 200km/h would be possible on most of it even after heavy upgrading.

This is what I can understand from analyzing google/bing aerial imagery. Unfortunately, the Turkish HSR Network is very often (not only in the map below) depicted way to optimistic, including many section as high speed but which are conventional upgraded tracks...

Note that between Ankara and Krikkale on the HSR line to Shivas works have not yet started (which is the most difficult section).


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U/C are besides Sivas parts of Bursa-Bilecik, Konya-Ulukisla (which is east of Karaman), and Polatli-Usak. Some of the other lines are in advanced planning stages though. "
Are you sure that works have already started on Bursa-Bilecik and Konya-Ulukisla? Unfortunately I can not read turkish and I can't find any evidence for it in the web. Anyone has more precise information on where works started?
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Positive, Bursa I have seen with my own eyes. Problem is similar to the Sivas line though. While there is work on Bursa-Yenisehir and the ground works have been at least 40% completed, the difficult part of connecting this line to the existing HSR is still in the project phase. Note that unlike what is indicated in the map above, the line does not run via InegŲl due to difficult terrain, but via Yenisheir See http://www.tcdd.gov.tr/bandirma-bursa-ayazma+m312 and map on http://www.tcdd.gov.tr/files/icerikresim/tcddharita.jpg
Konya-Ulukisla I am also sure. However this should rather be considered an upgrade to 200 kmh, as the Baghdad Railway on this stretch is straight, already allowed for good speeds previously, but is now being double-tracked, electrified, and receiving modern signal technology. See http://www.rayturk.net/konya-adana-h...yapilacak.html
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Old August 24th, 2015, 03:59 PM   #379
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Thank you Baron, this helped me to identify a part of the Bursa-Yenishir line.
I created a map showing the visible tunnel entrances, or at least those I could find. Apparently, works concentrate most on tunnels, open air sections seem not to be U/C so far.
Or are there more visible structures than the ones I found on the map?

Anyone can easily edit and maybe add placemarks to the google map directly online:
--> https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...xU&usp=sharing


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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:45 AM   #380
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Siemens Velaro and CAF together

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